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    January 2006

    January 31, 2006

    SLTV

    Below you can see the transcript that TrannyPet Barmy (the Fox guy on Fox TV) claims has me ranting for hours -- you can easily see him talking shite and him ranting in Foxese for hours lol.

    Next, the wierd attempt by SLTV to reprimand me. Neither Fox TV nor SLTV exists anymore...

    Lucca Kitty: wanna talk about conflict of interest? try the fact that the Lindens are paying SLTV to show what we want to show... we have a couple people accused of being "FIC" and we were all unanimously agreeing "YEah, lets go film the Superfox  show"
    Lucca Kitty: our entire premise is that the entire community of SL should be responsible for the content of SLTV, both new and old residents alike... and you go bashing the very people trying to turn things around
    Lucca Kitty: it's sick man, SICK!
    Prokofy Neva: ? I don't know what the fuck you are talking about, you aren't making sense
    Prokofy Neva: which people?
    Lucca Kitty: well, Ice Brodie for one is doing a lot to help us out in getting everything going
    Lucca Kitty: and here you are bashing the Lindens when we're working WITH them to get all of SL involved, and we're unbiased and want to promote the ENTIRE community of SL to come together for the better
    Prokofy Neva: I dno't get what you are going on about? huh? I'm supopsed to censor myself on Fox TV here so you can do your little dance with the Lindens? Huh????
    Lucca Kitty: no
    Lucca Kitty: I'm saying
    Prokofy Neva: I have no idea what you are about
    Lucca Kitty: that the Lindens are perfectly fine with you airing this stuff
    Lucca Kitty: I'm saying on a personal level that I'm insulted at your own conflict of interest
    Prokofy Neva: I don't run Fox TV that's this guy's thing I'm just a guest on it
    Prokofy Neva: ? what conflict of interest?
    Lucca Kitty: I'm saying that the very people you are bashing
    Lucca Kitty: WANT you to be able to say what you have to say
    Lucca Kitty: well maybe except for a few of the more unscrupulous ones like Anshe... but we're NOT going to be airing Anshe ads or anything
    Lucca Kitty: please just keep in mind that the Lindens realize about the FIC and that's partly why SLTV was turned over to the SLBC, because the SLBC is working its BUTT off to get impartial programming and even the playing field
    Prokofy Neva: Well I support that, I'm not like the FIC on the forums who trashed the Lindens bidding out TV and trashed the concept anyone could do it
    Prokofy Neva: and I was the first to tell Jesse Linden that he shoudl find Europeans
    Prokofy Neva: who would understand how to do this world better than Americans
    Prokofy Neva: because TV works differnt in Europe and has more tolerance for long talks shows and long wallpaper and stuff that American TV
    Lucca Kitty: I'm not aware of any europeans within the SLBC, but our two head people are Canadian
    Prokofy Neva: which is more slickly and briefly produced in segments can do
    Prokofy Neva: well Canadian is very differnt, I used to work for CBC myself
    Lucca Kitty: and even all the americans in SLBC are highly against the usual lack of journalistic integrity in American news
    Prokofy Neva: but I don't get what you're going on and on about
    Prokofy Neva: depends on the program
    Prokofy Neva: but what is your beef? I don't see any conflict of interest here
    Prokofy Neva: this guy asked me to be on his show
    Prokofy Neva: He asked me about this group we started
    Lucca Kitty: he isn't withus
    Prokofy Neva: *shrugs*
    Lucca Kitty: we're independant from him
    Prokofy Neva: well you're filming him filming me or something
    Prokofy Neva: but so what? interview me yourself? or whatever?
    Prokofy Neva: I mean what is the issue?
    Lucca Kitty: I was sent to film SuperFox
    Prokofy Neva: by?
    Lucca Kitty: by SLTV
    Lucca Kitty: SLTV has no issue, nor do the Lindens... like I said, I'm just personally insulted by some of the things you're saying
    Lucca Kitty: I mean you bashed the lindens in a general sense when I asked the Lindens if they're ok with this being aired and they said yes
    Lucca Kitty: basically they said "Go for it, film it, don't censor it" and you're bashing the people giving you a voice, why?
    Lucca Kitty: I just want to know why you're bashing the people who're giving you a voice that goes out to all of SL
    Prokofy Neva: excuse me, but I have a critique of the Lindenes
    Prokofy Neva: I don't turn it off when I'm on an independent tv
    Prokofy Neva: I don't try to please somebody doing some project?
    Lucca Kitty: I understand that, I'm not alking about that
    Prokofy Neva: I don't get what you mean then
    Lucca Kitty: I'm saying that you bash them in a general sense
    Lucca Kitty: when in a general sense they're giving you a voice
    Prokofy Neva: yes I do and I can't change that
    Lucca Kitty: to me it wreaks of conflict of interest
    Prokofy Neva: well they have permabanned me from the forums
    Prokofy Neva: um where is the conflict hon?
    Prokofy Neva: you make no sense
    Prokofy Neva: they have a conflict of interest
    Prokofy Neva: they encourage business then bash business themselves lol
    Lucca Kitty: and so do you apparently...
    Prokofy Neva: try to make sense please
    Prokofy Neva: where is the conflict? I live in SL and I criticzie it/
    Prokofy Neva: I live in American and I criticize Bush too
    Prokofy Neva: is that ok with you?
    Prokofy Neva: or do I need to shut that off when I go on tV?
    Prokofy Neva: why do you get all precious about Lindens?
    Lucca Kitty: Ilive in America and I'm oriignally Texan and I hate Bush's guts
    Lucca Kitty: I'm not, I think the Lindens have issues
    Prokofy Neva: so why am I supposed to behave different here?
    Lucca Kitty: and I agree that they need checks and balances
    Lucca Kitty: I'm not asking you to nbehave differently
    Prokofy Neva: then what is your point?
    Prokofy Neva: I haven't said anyting false or nasty
    Lucca Kitty: my point is that you're attacking people who are giving you a voice
    Prokofy Neva: I've said Jeska Linden shouldn't pose in resident ads
    Prokofy Neva: full stop
    Prokofy Neva: that's right and you know it
    Prokofy Neva: well that's how life is hon
    Prokofy Neva: you have to do that
    Lucca Kitty: yeah it is right
    Lucca Kitty: but what I mean is
    Lucca Kitty: that you bash them in a general sense
    Prokofy Neva: I signed the group letter raising these issues with the Lindens and we met them to present it formally
    Prokofy Neva: yes that's the right thing to do
    Prokofy Neva: I criticize them because thre's a lot that is not right with this world
    Prokofy Neva: and thank God I do that
    Prokofy Neva: it's necessary in any democratic and free society
    Prokofy Neva: or we get totalitarianism
    Lucca Kitty: so you'd bash Jesse Linden too?
    Prokofy Neva: you seem to think I'm suppose to be sucking up on TV?
    Prokofy Neva: Jesse should not be in SLTV
    Lucca Kitty: you'd bash... say... the director of NASA Because Bush is being a disckhead?
    Prokofy Neva: He's an ok guy but he should not be there
    Prokofy Neva: if the director of NASA did something I felt wsa wrong sure
    Prokofy Neva: and Jesse should bug out of SLTV if it is to be perceived as independent
    Prokofy Neva: he can be designated as the helper on the staff for you to talk to
    Prokofy Neva: he should not be in your organizations
    Prokofy Neva: that's normal
    Lucca Kitty: notice he's a member
    Prokofy Neva: NBC doesn't have Elliott Abrams from the White House in it
    Prokofy Neva: yo should not have Lindens
    Prokofy Neva: that is a conflict of interest
    Prokofy Neva: Lindens need to step back
    Prokofy Neva: stop running this like Russia
    Lucca Kitty: how is it a conflict of interest if they're hosting our bandwidth?
    Prokofy Neva: the federal government leases or auctions satelites too
    Prokofy Neva: they do not join the staff
    Prokofy Neva: even public TV on the taxpayer's dollar
    Lucca Kitty: he's not staff
    Prokofy Neva: does not have the White House in the group
    Prokofy Neva: he's a member
    Prokofy Neva: he does not belong there
    Lucca Kitty: he's there so that he can recieve updates from us
    Prokofy Neva: do you get what an independent media is?
    Lucca Kitty: not the othe rway around
    Prokofy Neva: they exercise subtle control that way
    Prokofy Neva: as you will see
    Lucca Kitty: the FCC still pays attention to the internal goings on of tv stations
    Prokofy Neva: however helpful and cheerful they are
    Lucca Kitty: cheerful?
    Prokofy Neva: they don't join the frigging station
    Prokofy Neva: you don't get it
    Prokofy Neva: they are nice people
    Prokofy Neva: but they don't belong in our groups
    Prokofy Neva: they're the government, we're the people
    Lucca Kitty: just this afternoon he was talking about how we're being lazy
    Prokofy Neva: that's how it should be
    Prokofy Neva: that's the problem
    Prokofy Neva: what the hell does he know?
    Prokofy Neva: making TV is hard fucking work I used to do it
    Lucca Kitty: because the stream was offline
    Prokofy Neva: it's hard to find stuff in here moving
    Prokofy Neva: Please don't accuse me of conflict of interest merely because I live in the world and invest in the world and criticize Lindens
    Prokofy Neva: when you have a Linden looking over your shoulder like that
    Prokofy Neva: maybe it's like Russia
    Prokofy Neva: but then don't pretend otherwise
    Lucca Kitty: they're hosting and paying us
    Lucca Kitty: we can't afford the bandwidth on our own
    Lucca Kitty: so don't even pretend like this is FIC bullshit
    Prokofy Neva: I realize it is Kremlin TV
    Lucca Kitty: it's more like trying to set things right
    Prokofy Neva: and that maybe is how you do it
    Prokofy Neva: but then don't criticize ME for being free
    Prokofy Neva: make an editorial judgement not to cover me
    Prokofy Neva: let the other tv be the free one and you be the Kremlin TV
    Prokofy Neva: Kremlin TV has a purpose too and can be useful
    Prokofy Neva: maybe that's all you get to do here
    Prokofy Neva: then do it well
    Prokofy Neva: but don't criticize me for ruining your change to make it LOOK LIKE you are independent by showin gME
    Prokofy Neva: and trying to ge tme to BEHAVE
    Prokofy Neva: that's just fucking ridiculous
    Prokofy Neva: go cover some happy newbie being helped by some happy Linden greeter or something
    Lucca Kitty: you know what's rediculous?
    Prokofy Neva: I dn't get why you are trying to censor me? it's absurd
    Lucca Kitty: the cockamamy conspiracy theories of some asshole who wants to think someone's out to get him?
    Prokofy Neva: no one  asks you to cover me or this fox guy
    Lucca Kitty: we're not trying to sensor you
    Lucca Kitty: censor
    Prokofy Neva: *shrugs*
    Lucca Kitty: if we were trying to censor you, we wouldn't be airing it live
    Prokofy Neva: Lucca, what's your take on Jeska posing for Flipper's SL Boutique?
    Prokofy Neva: well nobody asked you?
    Lucca Kitty: and we would be getting the SLTV execs going "Go ahead, keep it open, the Lindens are fine with this content"
    Prokofy Neva: and the Lindens could shut you down for that possible, but hey, it's your judgement
    Prokofy Neva: I didn't say anyting that violates the TOS on the forums even under those rather heavy restraints there
    Prokofy Neva: I state my opinions and I do not make personal attacks
    Prokofy Neva: You are not supposed to discuss your banning or anyone's banning on the forums, which is silly, but hey
    Prokofy Neva: too bad, it's something I as asked about
    Lucca Kitty: you know man... concidering I happen to agree with most of what you say
    Lucca Kitty: you attacking me like this
    Prokofy Neva: um Lucca,k you are on drugs
    Lucca Kitty: makes me wonder
    Prokofy Neva: you started haranguing me
    Prokofy Neva: not me you
    Prokofy Neva: I merely fend off your silly attempts to change what I say
    Prokofy Neva: and try to presuade you that your illusions of being independent are just that illusions
    Lucca Kitty: goodbye
    Prokofy Neva: I didn't start haranguing you
    Prokofy Neva: well by and welcome to my blog baby

    Fox TV

    AsterixLe Gall: IS LIKE ON WITH SHOW
    AsterixLe Gall: WHO WE GOT TO NITE THEN FOTTSY ?
    AsterixLe Gall: AHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
    AsterixLe Gall: WELL
    AsterixLe Gall: WE GOT A GUEST
    AsterixLe Gall: DAMNIT I IS WATCHED COVERAGE ALL DAY AND IS FORDOT ABOUT SHOW
    AsterixLe Gall: BUT
    AsterixLe Gall: AT REAL SHORT NOTICE
    AsterixLe Gall: GOT US A BIG NAME IS DID
    AsterixLe Gall: YUH
    AsterixLe Gall: AM SURE ALL IS HEARD OF HIM
    AsterixLe Gall: WELL KNOWN IN FORUMS, OR WAS
    You: the Infamous Antagonist
    AsterixLe Gall: ITS
    You: was was
    AsterixLe Gall: PROKOFY NEVA
    AsterixLe Gall: BIG UP THE NEVA MASSIVE
    AsterixLe Gall: COM ON UP HERE PROF MAN
    AsterixLe Gall: HAN ON LET ME MOVE TO SIDE SO YOU CAN GET THE COW
    You: yo superfox dude
    You: where do I go
    AsterixLe Gall: THERE YOU GO MANS
    You: I'm supposed to go onthe cow?
    No room to sit here, try another spot.
    AsterixLe Gall: hahahahahahah filming the SLTV filming us
    AsterixLe Gall: lol
    You: Here I am on the cow.
    AsterixLe Gall: ok mans
    AsterixLe Gall: that fines
    You: How now.
    AsterixLe Gall: that will do
    AsterixLe Gall: we is can do back to back
    You: but
    AsterixLe Gall: something different for show mans
    You: I not facing you
    AsterixLe Gall: lmao
    AsterixLe Gall: ut oh
    You: Beheheh fun
    AsterixLe Gall: lol
    You: hey this show is fun
    AsterixLe Gall: hey prof
    AsterixLe Gall: dun move man
    AsterixLe Gall: i'll move its cool
    You: well ok shoot dude
    AsterixLe Gall: there you go mans
    AsterixLe Gall: big up the prof massive
    AsterixLe Gall: welcome to show mans
    You: um great props dude
    AsterixLe Gall: lol
    You: welcome to my world
    You: : )
    AsterixLe Gall: is one of Kis's that one
    AsterixLe Gall: lol
    AsterixLe Gall: wanna c sploding cow ?
    You: sigh
    You: dare I say no?
    AsterixLe Gall: there it goes
    AsterixLe Gall: one of Loups
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    You: oh dear
    AsterixLe Gall: bye bye livestock
    AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahaha
    You: this is like the Three Stooges, the slapstick approach
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh nutting prepared
    AsterixLe Gall: no scripts
    AsterixLe Gall: i is know a little about you
    AsterixLe Gall: has heard name
    You: the exploding cow always is a good filler I find
    AsterixLe Gall: and know is acheived like infamouy in forums
    You: well I'm the Infamous Antagonist
    You: the Eliminated Entity
    AsterixLe Gall: lol
    AsterixLe Gall: right mans
    AsterixLe Gall: can you tell us some about that ?
    You: He Who Dare Not BE Named
    You: I'm permabanned from the forums.
    AsterixLe Gall: like how is it come about that you got so INFAMOUS
    AsterixLe Gall: yeah i heared that to
    AsterixLe Gall: tell all man
    AsterixLe Gall: how did it happen
    You: Um, I called Aimee Weber's name "like a prom queen who dots her i's with a heart"?
    You: well that and saying stuff like "Is SL Ready for Investment?"
    AsterixLe Gall: why is that bad man ?
    AsterixLe Gall: like why is bad to ask such a thing ?
    You: well what happened is that I stepped on a lot of tails I guess
    You: I invented the term Feted Inner Core to describe the elite of SL
    You: and they got pissed and started abuse-reporting me
    AsterixLe Gall: ok mans wait
    AsterixLe Gall: Fetted Inner Core
    AsterixLe Gall: as in FIC right mans ?
    You: well you had to be there, the forums are a cesspool
    You: FIC is feted as in celebrated yes
    You: many confuse it with the word "fetid" but it is "feted"
    AsterixLe Gall: so thats not really a like real thing then ? its a term you is invented
    You: Oh it's a satire.
    AsterixLe Gall: for like descibe certain elements of SLers ?
    You: It's not like there's some real cabal in the basement plotting.
    You: It's not like I have a tinfoil hat on or anything.
    You: It's not a conspiracy, a lot of them are just lonely kids.
    You: You know, they see the Lindens are their in parentis locus or whatsis
    AsterixLe Gall: so is like reason is got banned then is cos you is encouraged peoples to is like see outside the box a little ?
    You: you know, they need some kind of authority figures to suck up to I guess
    You: well I'm not a tekkie and I poked fun at a lot of them
    AsterixLe Gall: lol
    You: it's like the geeks rule the world here, the revenge of the nerds kinda thing
    You: I invented another term called tekkie wiki to kinda poke fun at their self-importance
    AsterixLe Gall: lol
    You: their idea that they are always helping the world by making all this free shit
    You: that doesn't work half the time
    You: ROFL
    AsterixLe Gall: so thats what alot of the freebie crap is about then mans ?
    You: well I personally think there's too much of it and it saps newbie initiative
    AsterixLe Gall: is like self promotions of the Fetted Inner Core of SL right ?
    You: I mean I have all kindsa free crap in my inventory
    You: some of it is helpful but some of it is just a loss leader
    You: and you're supposed to be feel all tingly inside
    AsterixLe Gall: me n mikey is got shit loads earlier mans
    You: that some girl sandbagged you in the welcome area with her goodie bag for free
    AsterixLe Gall: lol yuh
    You: and you put on some ugly latex pants and then buy her $500 shirt later LOL
    You: ROFL
    You: I dunno I just find a lot of self-important in here
    AsterixLe Gall: like eternally greatful for L$1 worth of crap
    Broc Nilsson: Mike??
    You: I'm just on another polatnet
    You: well I went around when I was new and right clicked on everything
    You: you never know you get lucky and swipe something
    AsterixLe Gall: lol yuh is gotta see what can steal
    AsterixLe Gall: thats what edit there for man
    You: but I think there's just too much of it that is out there and NOT modifiable
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh ahahahahahaha
    AsterixLe Gall: is good to see we is on same level man
    AsterixLe Gall: if it aint nailed downz
    AsterixLe Gall: is there for the theiving
    AsterixLe Gall: lol
    You: well I believe that people should be paid for their work
    You: I'm shocked sometimes at how low people charge for really hard work for really nice stuff
    You: I think we need to value things more here and pay people what they are worth
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh thing remember is tho i guess is like level of sales
    You: I'm not an anarchist and not one of these kinda people moochying off others like a lot of the hippie utopianists
    AsterixLe Gall: dude
    You: well what happens is a newbie comes on the forums
    AsterixLe Gall: the fots is biggest god damn moocher in sl
    You: and he says look here's my house I made for $50 woot
    AsterixLe Gall: is how show got started !!!!!
    Broc Nilsson: Hows it hanging?
    AsterixLe Gall: $50 is way cheep for house right ?
    You: and everyone jumps on him and says "oh SL is for fun don't sell stuff" and "You're advertising your house in the wrong place" and shit like that
    You: very
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh good man
    AsterixLe Gall: nice hat
    You: but then it's just a box
    AsterixLe Gall: lol
    Broc Nilsson: thanks bro
    You: w3ell yeah a lot of Internet things are cheap or free sure
    You: but you get what you pay for mmm?
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh mans has you seen Loups UberHouse yet ?
    Broc Nilsson: Nice fox outfit
    AsterixLe Gall: for free
    AsterixLe Gall: Loup maked house
    You: nope but Loups is fox in french right?
    AsterixLe Gall: is for like living in a Mall
    You: or something
    AsterixLe Gall: dunno manz
    You: Lysa in Russian
    AsterixLe Gall: is only do foxese
    AsterixLe Gall: nice
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: but i get loup for like send you uber house
    You: there's a story about the dough boy that rolled around and the fox ate him
    Broc Nilsson: Hey man thats a nice suit, stylish
    AsterixLe Gall: is like for move into mall
    AsterixLe Gall: is only like 5 prims
    You: ok
    AsterixLe Gall: so way inside of prim limit in mall space
    You: well I got this suit from him Baccara Rhodes is it?
    You: It's a long story
    AsterixLe Gall: lol
    You: about someone who used to make me wear a suit or they wouldn't go out with me
    Broc Nilsson: hhaha I bet
    AsterixLe Gall: nah man is like try to get folks for like live in Malls
    You: and it just got there in my inventory
    AsterixLe Gall: cheaper rent instead of buy land
    AsterixLe Gall: is good for newbies
    Cindy Claveau is online
    You: yeah well I'm a rentals man myself
    AsterixLe Gall: is the suit is has on now man ?
    Mike Geer: CHEES
    Mike Geer: E
    Mike Geer: MGOAG
    Mike Geer: COW P
    Mike Geer: IE
    Mike Geer: MONKEYS!
    You: that's my business
    Broc Nilsson: dude this is one cool show
    Mike Geer: GRGRADMAN PANTIES
    You: Fox now tell me, what will the Lindens do
    AsterixLe Gall: aaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahah fanz on set
    You: if you got on here and started like I dunno calling on people to overthrow King Philip?
    AsterixLe Gall: well prolly kik me liek they did at town hall meeting
    You: I'm wondering what the limits are
    AsterixLe Gall: for go on stage and dansing
    Broc Nilsson: fanz? where not getting piad for being up here?
    You: you were a nuisance at the town hall I recall
    AsterixLe Gall: well
    AsterixLe Gall: way i see it mans
    Mike Geer: *rubs nippless*
    AsterixLe Gall: is like
    You: hey was that cool or WHAT when that girl landed
    AsterixLe Gall: if is stay with in bounds of ToS
    AsterixLe Gall: can is pretty muts do like what want
    You: and she had like "PLay Sexy Clit I get Excited When you Touch Me"
    You: and Phil was like "Whoah watch it with that thing iwill ya?"
    Broc Nilsson: *pats suit man on the back*
    AsterixLe Gall: lol
    AsterixLe Gall: damnit
    You: everybody was like whoah
    AsterixLe Gall: i couldnt like see
    You: that girl landed with her !@#$ on Phil
    You: LOL
    AsterixLe Gall: cos is camera look this way :(
    AsterixLe Gall: got some nifty ass n titties shots tho earlier
    AsterixLe Gall: )))Ass Titties Ass N Titties(((
    You: did you get that moment on tape back then dude?
    Broc Nilsson: Prokofy, ur hot
    Mike Geer: wipes it out
    You: I kknow
    You: you know what is shocking?
    You: I am no. 1 on ratemyav.com
    AsterixLe Gall: nah man is maybe like the other camera crue on set is mite has
    * Play Sexy - Cock: Time to Play Sexy!
    * Play Sexy - Cock whispers: I get Excited when you touch me!
    You: I am making the FIC furious!
    You: wow
    AsterixLe Gall: hey is thinking could be time for demo
    AsterixLe Gall: has any of fanz seen HoS ?
    Broc Nilsson: woah Im not suprised, i wouldnt say no
    AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahahahahahaha
    You: who is ttaking out their hog there?
    AsterixLe Gall: hog
    Super Nerd is offline
    Mike Geer: *starts to lay wiwith himeslf*
    AsterixLe Gall: screw hog
    AsterixLe Gall: is got hos here
    Mike Geer: play*
    AsterixLe Gall: right so hey mans
    AsterixLe Gall: is like
    Broc Nilsson: these fox avies are hot too
    AsterixLe Gall: ya do rentals now to as well as has fun with forums ?
    Mike Geer: *moans and rubs his nipples*
    You: I'm permabanned from the forums
    Broc Nilsson: I brought a new weewee today:)
    You: SO I had to start a blog, well I had one anyway but I added to it
    Mike Geer: *stats to kick astreizlke
    You: Broc you're supposed to let girls buy em for you
    You: I read it in the Herald
    AsterixLe Gall: can we and fanz is like has address for ?
    Broc Nilsson: really?
    You: that way they have their names on it or whatever
    Broc Nilsson: damn
    You: yeah
    AsterixLe Gall: he isnt does know what girls is man
    AsterixLe Gall: he's a Varick
    AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahahahahahaha
    You: or boys
    You: whatever you know partners
    Mike Geer: my weewee is deforme now since i sat on this chicken
    Broc Nilsson: well its still getting use *winkw*
    Mike Geer: Broc can i have a ne weewee?
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh n doesnt mean like barn dancing either dummy
    You: I rent all kinds of houses, estates, land, docks, stores
    Broc Nilsson: No
    AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahah is like they is gettin themselves off live on Super Fox TV
    You: it's fun I get to meet a lot of people in the game.
    AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahahahahah dummies
    Mike Geer: MY WEEWEE IS GONE *CRIES*
    Mike Geer: WAAAAA!
    Broc Nilsson: u fucked up ir weewee now live with it!!
    AsterixLe Gall: right is demo something here
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: is fun
    Mike Geer: BROC I WNAT A WEEEWE PLEASEEE
    Broc Nilsson: NO WEEWEE
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    Mike Geer: Pro can i have a weewee?
    AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahahahaha
    You: Asterix is there a reason you adopted the same title as Phil Linden has on his game?
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    You: um get your own damn weewee freeloader
    AsterixLe Gall: is was for like town hall meeting that fotsy called
    AsterixLe Gall: THAT NO ONE TURNED UP TO
    AsterixLe Gall: DUMMIES
    AsterixLe Gall: cos
    AsterixLe Gall: like is for was for like has instead of Lindens at front of stage
    Broc Nilsson: so what exactly is this show?
    You: oh well people are such sheep Asterix
    Mike Geer: PRO WATHC YOUR LANUAGE ICUSNIG IS AGANST MY RELIGION GOD DAMN IT!
    AsterixLe Gall: for like kik ppl off and stuff
    Broc Nilsson: u talk and ppl watch?
    AsterixLe Gall: HAS SS LINDENS
    You: they don't know how to have a town hall unless Phil is there to paste stuff out to them
    Mike Geer: Fuck Fuck Fuck
    Mike Geer: Motha Motha Fuck
    Mike Geer: Motha Motha Fuck Fuck
    Mike Geer: Motha Fuck Motha Fuck
    Mike Geer: Noise Noise Noise
    AsterixLe Gall: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
    SLBC Neurocam: ok please watch your language Mike
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: hey mans
    Mike Geer: ops sowwy
    AsterixLe Gall: did yer see me at the town hall meeting ?
    AsterixLe Gall: hey wait up
    AsterixLe Gall: fottsy not so dumb
    Mike Geer: *cries* my family abuses me
    AsterixLe Gall: SLTV is hired a pair of greifers
    AsterixLe Gall: nice one guys
    You: yeah like I said you ewre kinda nuisancing up the place
    Mike Geer: JERRY JERRY JERRY
    AsterixLe Gall: check this out pro
    Broc Nilsson: I dont know this man *points at Mikw*
    AsterixLe Gall: SLTV trying to nobble is like SuperFoxTV.com
    Broc Nilsson: Mike
    AsterixLe Gall: by invitign griefers along
    AsterixLe Gall: well is time for leave griefers
    SLBC Neurocam: we didn't invite anyone along
    Mike Geer: PLEASE DONT HURT ME IM ONLY A
    Mike Geer: NEWBIE!
    AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahahahaha
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh right onwards
    AsterixLe Gall: sorry pro mans
    Broc Nilsson shouts: sorry guys didnt mean to intrude, Im lagging bad!
    AsterixLe Gall: isnt normally get griefer tards in show
    AsterixLe Gall: but
    SLBC Neurocam: sorry SuperFox, I assure you, we had nothing to do with that guy
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh lets is carry on
    AsterixLe Gall: rentals man
    Broc Nilsson: huh griefer tards?, what have we done?
    AsterixLe Gall: hows that business going ?
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    Broc Nilsson: Im sorry i was unaware this was a show, i thought u were just chatting
    AsterixLe Gall: lol while prokofky doing summat
    AsterixLe Gall: am gonna try summit out yuh yuh
    You: I'm checking the events calendar
    AsterixLe Gall: oh no back
    You: it never works right
    AsterixLe Gall: lol yuh is never let me list right co-ords right
    AsterixLe Gall: and
    AsterixLe Gall: is still cant activate camera account for on like show
    AsterixLe Gall: is signed up account SL
    AsterixLe Gall: and is cant get me 2k referral from activation
    AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahahaha
    AsterixLe Gall: SORT IT OUT MANS
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh prok man
    AsterixLe Gall: tell us bout rentals ?
    AsterixLe Gall: like hows that going ?
    AsterixLe Gall: and where do we is like if want rent some land
    AsterixLe Gall: how is best way for go about ?
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    You: You get my notecard that has the communities where parcels are available
    You: they have house son them or you can bring your own or build your own
    You: I have like 9 or so different locations
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    AsterixLe Gall: cool
    SLBC Neurocam: Fox, don't meant to interrupt, but i just got spammed with messages about "hand of satan"
    AsterixLe Gall: is like zoned ?
    You: I have them for different budgets, from $150 for PG or for newbies going up to like $2000 a week for a large estate
    You: well I have some that are zoned but it is very hard to zone in here
    AsterixLe Gall: like L$ mans ?
    You: I don't have land on the private islands, I prefer the freedom and variety of the mainland
    You: yes LL of course
    You: I can take Paypal too
    AsterixLe Gall: cools
    You: but most people just pay their stipends
    AsterixLe Gall: hows that going for you mans ?
    You: and I let them edit and put in trees and music and so on
    AsterixLe Gall: like is people still big on mainland ?
    SLBC Neurocam: I want to make it VERY clear that this IS being recorded, if anyone griefs the SuperFox show we WILL have VIDEO EVIDENCE to give to the Lindens
    You: well a lot of people go to the islands for awhile
    You: then some of them come back
    You: or some of them have a little place still on the mainland
    You: where they don't hvae as many rules
    You: see a lot of the islands have more rules about building etc
    AsterixLe Gall: the zoning rules right ?
    You: mostly you can build as you please on my lots as long as you don't put up like a big ugly purple twirling square
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    You: well zoning is a relative concept
    AsterixLe Gall: lol
    You: like you can't enforce a zone on the mainland
    You: you can say "I hereby say this sim is residential"
    You: but if you set it for sale someone will come and do their thing
    You: which might be a club or mall
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    You: so I try to establish some areas just for houses
    You: then I try to put the stores up by the road
    You: to mix it up an dnot restrict it totally but keep it from going ugly
    AsterixLe Gall: so its a similar thing
    AsterixLe Gall: but in on mainland likes yuh ?
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh i get the idea i thinks man
    You: it's not enforceable to zone unless you have a private island
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: good idea
    You: yeah I like the mainland
    AsterixLe Gall: other thing is
    You: because people fly by and meet each other
    AsterixLe Gall: can is like has a bit of land on mainland
    You: it's not surrounded by all this blackness and water like the Twilight Zone
    AsterixLe Gall: and not has to commit to like premium account
    AsterixLe Gall: cos is rentals right ?
    You: and the geography is just more interesting
    You: well the mainland was made by the Lindens and sometimes they make neat stuff
    You: you know like a bridge or damn or beautiful waterfalls
    AsterixLe Gall: like rocks
    AsterixLe Gall: and m not futts about
    You: the islands tend to be like all sandy beaches
    AsterixLe Gall: i like rox
    You: like somebody's idea of Club Med
    AsterixLe Gall: serious when ever is see rox in SL
    AsterixLe Gall: is has to go look
    You: but there are some very well done islands like Anshe's Aksha Desert
    You: I have some land out there
    You: amazing dunes and stuff
    You: it's what you make it really
    AsterixLe Gall: hasnt looked yet
    AsterixLe Gall: but is maybe fly up there for a foxtrot laters
    AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahah yuh manz
    You: some people prefer the security of islands, some prefer the variety of the mainland
    You: lol
    You: well people make niches
    You: you know like furries here or French there
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    AsterixLe Gall: yuh or tinies
    You: I think it's a challenge to see if you can get along withyour neighbours
    You: and since people are such fucktards on here so often
    AsterixLe Gall: no fordet the tinies mans
    AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahaha
    You: it's a total challenge
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: i hear that quite a bit
    AsterixLe Gall: but less no be too hard on DUMMIES
    AsterixLe Gall: is like every one is has to learn is guess
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    AsterixLe Gall: but just dun come on my show DUMMIES
    AsterixLe Gall: COS I FUTTING HATE DUMMIES
    AsterixLe Gall: STUPID DUMMIES
    AsterixLe Gall: IT SAYS ON SITE
    AsterixLe Gall: NO GOD DAMN DUMMIES
    AsterixLe Gall: SO IF YOU IS A FUTTTARD
    AsterixLe Gall: DUN COME ON SHOW
    AsterixLe Gall: GOT IT DUMMIES
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: sorry manz
    AsterixLe Gall: is just get lil excited when like talk of dummies is happen
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: like alliance
    AsterixLe Gall: what who is come on show yesterday
    AsterixLe Gall: but is cryied and left earlier
    SLBC Neurocam: this IS being recorded, so any and all griefers will have VIDEO EVIDENCE against them
    AsterixLe Gall: is think was bed times or summat
    AsterixLe Gall: mouldy assses
    You: hmm
    AsterixLe Gall: ok mans
    You: well I duno about that
    AsterixLe Gall: i dunno if wants to talk about this
    AsterixLe Gall: and is can say none of fottsies god damn business if like
    AsterixLe Gall: but
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    AsterixLe Gall: in forum recent
    AsterixLe Gall: is like all reporter stuff about MJW
    AsterixLe Gall: and is like lot of debate over what is got said
    AsterixLe Gall: and is what is not got said
    AsterixLe Gall: like get picture ?
    AsterixLe Gall: you mind is at all if we is talk a lil about MJW ?
    You: sure thing
    AsterixLe Gall: oks tanx man
    You: It was founded to promote justice in SL
    AsterixLe Gall: first thing tho
    AsterixLe Gall: is would really like to keep it is so like
    AsterixLe Gall: since you was is there
    AsterixLe Gall: is wat was all like REALLY said and agreed and stuff
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    AsterixLe Gall: know what mean ?
    AsterixLe Gall: like straight from one of horses mouths
    AsterixLe Gall: rather than a biassed bs'ing reporter
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: sorry mans
    You: Ok ask me a question
    AsterixLe Gall: was gonna tell us what it is
    You: I was there for most of it
    You: I missed some bits waiting on customers
    AsterixLe Gall: ok can first of all is like tell fanz what MJW is about ?
    AsterixLe Gall: am a blow up a cow quick
    AsterixLe Gall: god damn it
    You: well the group was just formed and is still gelling
    AsterixLe Gall: muh cow broked
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    AsterixLe Gall: right is what way is Justice about man ?
    You: well a group of us felt that there have been a lot of injustices lately
    You: and that in general there is not a level playing field here
    You: that the entire world is skewed and has no checks and balances
    You: in real life you need all kind of watchdog groups
    You: that keep a watch on power
    You: and you need groups to watch the watchers
    You: and the watchers of the watchers
    AsterixLe Gall: like insider dealing type stuffs man ?
    You: this is all normal
    You: yes
    You: some people will say they need justice from the very land barons in this group of ours
    You: let them
    You: we gathered our clout, such as it is, which represents some of the highest tier payers in this town
    You: and we decided to use it to try to get a slate of issues raised with the Lindens
    You: and seek a meeting with them
    You: I didn't know if anybody had ever formally done that before
    You: formally
    AsterixLe Gall: this is on behalf of SLer's to right mans ?
    You: I mean instead of all this kind of FIC friendly stuff
    You: where old players who become Lindens then pal around with their old beta-test love-fest buddies
    AsterixLe Gall: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
    AsterixLe Gall: is see is what FIC mean now man
    AsterixLe Gall: is get picture
    You: well it's not like many think iti is
    You: it's not some plot where they get together in a cellar
    AsterixLe Gall: is needs some headshots ahahahahaha
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    AsterixLe Gall: but like a masons sort is thing yuh ?
    You: but it is a group or a state of likemindedness, group think especially evident on the forums
    You: no
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    You: they just say that to be funny and ridicule me
    You: but honestly, it's a satire of sorts to get people to see
    AsterixLe Gall: no mans not the MJW
    You: that they take themselves too seriously
    AsterixLe Gall: is mean like FIC is like masons
    You: no FIC isn't masons either
    You: it's group think
    You: ti's how people behave in groups
    AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahhaahaha fottsy is dummie ahahahahahahaha
    You: mobs get formed and people behave in ways they wouldn't in RL
    You: anyway we decided to come up with a few test cases
    AsterixLe Gall: gots it now
    AsterixLe Gall: like Alliance ?
    You: things like Jeska Linden posing for SLBoutiques
    You: is that right for her to do that?
    You: I ask her to pose for me, she doesn't LOL
    You: It's an issue of fiarness
    SLBC Neurocam: For our viewers that don't know. FIC means "Fetid Inner Core" and refers to a conspiracy theory about Second Life politics
    AsterixLe Gall: well isnt was right she didnt ask muh question at town hall meeting
    You: fairness
    You: well it is not a conspiracy theory
    AsterixLe Gall: and then is like remove me for dancing
    You: it's a description, an analysis of how the people who are both older players
    You: and their new apprentices
    You: feel they are entitled to a certain stature and privilege
    You: you see it in things like their expenctation
    You: that they can force people off the forums
    You: get newbies streamed to their land in welcome programs
    You: get Lindens to DJ at their events or pose in their ads
    AsterixLe Gall: so MJW is promoting freedom of speaches to right mans ?
    You: it's just an assumption
    You: well we didn't get into the forums
    You: we startled with simpler issues
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    You: 1) code of ethics for Lindens
    You: 2) how to end misuse of the abuse report system which is used to settle scores
    You: 3) how to minimize conflict of interest and efforts to run residents out of business
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    You: you know the basic rules of the game
    AsterixLe Gall: right is starting understand now man
    You: it is not to promote our business interests
    You: we have other groups for that
    You: it's to get the Lindens to step up to the plate
    AsterixLe Gall: is more for like promote like fair trading for all in SL right man /
    You: to realize they aren't in Kansas anymore
    You: like theyre' not in this little small town in America
    You: now with their little friends and the town elders who clear on what people do or say
    AsterixLe Gall: no one is can like cause some one is else like grief from in background
    You: it's a big fucking place
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh mans
    AsterixLe Gall: too muts can is be hidden up easy now
    You: there are huge numbers of creators in here
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    You: there are numerous people who have way more traffic on their lots than the forum FIC
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    You: there are new people who make vehicles, skins, avatars just as popular and just as kewl
    You: so stop showing the same old FIC people on the website
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    You: spread the wealth of attention around a little more
    AsterixLe Gall: yeah manz agreed on that
    AsterixLe Gall: FUTS TO FIX
    AsterixLe Gall: COME ON SUPER FOX SHOW
    You: and establish some guidelines for how Lindens throw business to poeople
    AsterixLe Gall: AND SHOW OFF YOURS STUFFS
    You: like they gave as $17,000 US real-life dollar bid to a FIC group
    You: that got people plenty pissed
    You: it went to a secret sim by some RL bank that asked for builders
    You: and people were like, hey, how come I'm a super builder and I couldn't put in a bid?
    You: so now the Lindends have a Developers' Directory
    AsterixLe Gall: cos not in FIC right ?
    You: but you have to be like, already on their radar to get in it
    You: well interview the FIC and get their side of it
    AsterixLe Gall: that big sucks and smeslls is of like foxtrots
    You: looks to me like same-old same-old
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh mans that good idea
    AsterixLe Gall: is think do that
    You: they need to have a fair system
    AsterixLe Gall: oi fic'ers
    AsterixLe Gall: if any is watch muh show mans
    AsterixLe Gall: want one of you is to come on is up here
    AsterixLe Gall: and splain selves
    AsterixLe Gall: is like why you think is get all business
    You: the idea is not to have a plywood box equal to the Taj Mahal
    You: we understand there are some people who are more talented than others
    AsterixLe Gall: when is like other peoples like with mouths for to feed yuh yuh
    You: but just have equal opporunity
    You: lol
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh is should be fairs man
    AsterixLe Gall: totally
    You: well and I think we need ethics or codes of conduct for Lidnens
    AsterixLe Gall: and is like new idea for show
    You: they have tremendous power over the world
    AsterixLe Gall: you is gonna likes this one
    You: they can't say hey it's a country with its own currency and you can start a business, and it's not a game
    You: and then turn around and say well no my buddy gets the contract
    You: that's like Russia or China
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh is wouldnt get away with in RL
    AsterixLe Gall: hey mans
    AsterixLe Gall: one thing
    AsterixLe Gall: one thing
    AsterixLe Gall: is gotta ask before is carry on
    You: well you wouldnl't in a democratic country with free press and justice
    AsterixLe Gall: cos is like
    AsterixLe Gall: well is say stuff and is not say it not true
    AsterixLe Gall: but is can this all be found out ?
    AsterixLe Gall: like so fanz can is see for selves ?
    You: well you have to go and ask yourself
    You: is it right for Jesk Linden to pose for SlBoutiques?
    You: the big billboard is up in that telehub area by Kania
    You: is it right for Shaun Linden to DJ events?
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh fink is seen that
    AsterixLe Gall: she look HOT
    You: the issue not that he used the global PA system
    You: we understand he said that was a mistake
    You: I get a thing telling me to force-TP over to see Shaun Linden
    You: WTF is that?
    You: well he says that is a mistake
    You: ok but what is he even DOING DJing for some resident's show?
    You: like how come I don't get Shaun Linden to show off at my thing?
    You: and sell my stuff?
    You: and get my dwell?
    You: it's just fairness
    AsterixLe Gall: hey mans
    AsterixLe Gall: dun worry
    AsterixLe Gall: cos is got plans for yer mans
    You: it's not a question of dumbing down quality to my level, like in Russia, the resentment of the talented
    You: it's a question of like FAIRNESS
    AsterixLe Gall: is like when you is want guest dj for is like sell stuff
    AsterixLe Gall: im SUPER FOX mans
    AsterixLe Gall: is come help you is out
    You: well thanks
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    You: I never have time to do stuff like that I should do more
    You: I just give space to tenants who do their thing
    AsterixLe Gall: count me up for a spot man for sure
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: DJ FOX king of the grooves
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    You: well and you have to ask about this whole system
    You: whereby an old player levels up and becomes a Linden
    You: that's the heart of darkness IMHO
    You: that's where a lot of the problems of unfairness start
    AsterixLe Gall: perhaps is need some form of Lindoftel
    You: if you are my best buddy
    AsterixLe Gall: OfLind
    You: and we had a business together
    You: and then you get to become a Linden
    You: and you then start throwing me contracts and stuff
    You: well who checks on that?
    You: I mean I couldn't have people in my various jobs in RL if they had a conflict of interest
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh is like need 3rd party for is like monitor activity of lindens
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    You: and you have to sign a disclosure
    AsterixLe Gall: but then is again man
    You: and you have to recuse yourself from contracts and things like that
    AsterixLe Gall: is LL like is floated on marke ?
    AsterixLe Gall: is point is make is like
    AsterixLe Gall: if not
    AsterixLe Gall: is almost is still like private
    AsterixLe Gall: and is like up for them is to do as please
    AsterixLe Gall: but i guess
    AsterixLe Gall: fing is
    AsterixLe Gall: if some one doesnt is like form something like MJW
    You: what's bothersome to me is that both Lindens and FIC see nothing arong with this
    AsterixLe Gall: to stop unfairness and stuff
    AsterixLe Gall: is like
    You: they have this really fucking arrogant attitude
    AsterixLe Gall: soon no one wanna play no more
    You: like we're here we're the best fuck off
    AsterixLe Gall: and like no more SL :(
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: zactly
    You: well they have a conscious attitude
    AsterixLe Gall: and fottsy is love SL
    AsterixLe Gall: and if no more sl
    AsterixLe Gall: is like now more FOX SHOW
    You: which is let's only have the qulaity people make SL and keep out the riff-raff
    You: and I think you can't do that
    AsterixLe Gall: hey mans is like the idea of SuperFoxTV.com then mans ?
    You: or you can't have a mllion people come through the door
    You: they claim to want that
    AsterixLe Gall: like cos independant
    You: well you need an independent pres sin here badly
    AsterixLe Gall: and is open for any one and every one for is come on and say what like
    You: to cover events from an independent perspectgive sure
    AsterixLe Gall: long as no slanders
    SLBC Neurocam: SLTV isn't supposed to opin anything politically... so I'm going to try to keep this as impartial as possible.
    You: the challenge is how to make it fair and balanced
    You: well you 'd have to investigate whether something is slander
    AsterixLe Gall: hang on a sec prof
    SLBC Neurocam: SLTV is hosted by the lindens and run by residents both old and new.
    AsterixLe Gall: FOTTSY IS NEED TO FUTTSIN POINT SOMETHING OUT HERE
    AsterixLe Gall: THIS IS A SUPERFOXTV.COM SHOW
    Fox Diller: Yes.
    AsterixLe Gall: WE DONT WANT FUTTINS SLTV SUBTITLES
    AsterixLe Gall: DO WE UNDERSTAND SLTV ?
    AsterixLe Gall: IF NOT
    AsterixLe Gall: GET THE HELL IS OFF MUH SET
    AsterixLe Gall: AM FULLY CAPABLE IS OF LIKE FILMING
    AsterixLe Gall: DO UNDERSTAND ?
    Fox Diller: Yes.
    SLBC Neurocam: fine, then we'll go... I'm not sure we really want to be bashed whenwe're airing your stuff live
    AsterixLe Gall: NO MORE GOD DAMN SUBTITLES
    AsterixLe Gall: right
    AsterixLe Gall: sorry mans
    AsterixLe Gall: that was really start to piss off fottsy
    You: didn't see it
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh is cant cos is wrong side of is camera
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: hey mans
    You: it's hard to do things in here without griefing
    AsterixLe Gall: gonna ask the usual final 3 questions now
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh is say again man
    You: I think that's one of the reasons why we didn't have an open meeting as such
    AsterixLe Gall: n when is like independant only is like no griefing
    You: but it was covered by the press anyway
    You: you cannot keep the press out in SL
    You: and I'm all for the press
    AsterixLe Gall: is like only gweefing dummies is come tonite
    You: I work freelance for the Herald myself
    AsterixLe Gall: cools mans
    You: yeah well I get really tired of it
    You: it's hard to function
    AsterixLe Gall: top quality rag mans, is read now n again
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    Twiggy Lawson: You function just well with me Prokofy
    You: it's partly the Lindens could never see their way clear to dissseminate some culture of better behaviour
    AsterixLe Gall: i see is use that now for is like instead of forums yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh well is all just stupid for dummies
    AsterixLe Gall: like is do stupid chit
    You: Hi Twiggy
    AsterixLe Gall: when fottsy is like doing enuff stupid shit already
    You: how's the trailer biz
    Twiggy Lawson: Hi Baby!!!
    AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahahah
    AsterixLe Gall: lol
    Twiggy Lawson: got out of it
    You: wow this is like Oprha
    AsterixLe Gall: like talk in foxese like a stupid futts for starters
    AsterixLe Gall: lol
    You: it has an an audience
    AsterixLe Gall: cept oprah is crap
    You: let them ask some questions fox dude
    AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahaha
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: good ideas man
    You: yeah I left the sleezy too but I couldn't spend the time there
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    AsterixLe Gall: lets has 3 questions from audience
    You: I loved that place but too busy
    AsterixLe Gall: n then i is got 3 questions
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: who first ?
    You: wow Rosa Parks
    You: great name for an av
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    Rosa Parks: thank you
    You: I'll bet not one in ten even recognize the name? or do they?
    Rosa Parks: not very many comment on it
    AsterixLe Gall: hey man if they dun
    AsterixLe Gall: it cool
    AsterixLe Gall: cos is got 3
    AsterixLe Gall: easy ones yuh
    Rosa Parks: i think your percentage guess is accurate
    You: ok questions?
    You: well shoot Ast
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh m a have a quick nuzzle in like crotch
    AsterixLe Gall: whilst is like wait for q's
    AsterixLe Gall: they duns now man ?
    You: dunno
    You: gals?
    AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahaha bunts of dummies
    AsterixLe Gall: otays man
    AsterixLe Gall: futs em
    AsterixLe Gall: is like 3 q's what is get asked to like all guests man
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    AsterixLe Gall: first one is
    AsterixLe Gall: what is coolest thing is seed in SL ?
    You: Hmmm
    Rosa Parks: Sleezywood!!!
    You: There are so many cool things I want to think for a moment.
    Rosa Parks: The brothel in Sleezywood!!!
    You: I guess I would say the build that Foolish Frost did for me in FREE TIBET
    Twiggy Lawson: Rosa Shut the FUCK UP
    You: it is a fusion of East and West Asian stuff -- a spa, waterfalls, lodge, cabin
    Rosa Parks: You shut up ho!!
    AsterixLe Gall: was cools then yuh ?
    You: it's just awesome to me
    Twiggy Lawson: I'll come over there and kick your ASS
    You: but there are things like the Tubes of Saturn in Tethys the Lindens made
    AsterixLe Gall: mind if is drop by and takes look later mans ?
    Rosa Parks: Like last time? I wooped you good
    You: or the Volcano they used to have
    You: sure thing
    You: it's in Wakeley outside of the Wixom telehub a bit
    You: or like the island called Barbados
    Twiggy Lawson: And stay off my BF's
    You: Tyra Valkyrie's island with builds and stuff to do
    Rosa Parks: He's cute -- did you really give him a BJ??
    AsterixLe Gall: ahahahaha is thought you is said BASTADOS for a minute
    AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahaha lol
    You: or like this brand-new builder Desmon Shang just made these builds to rez out of a rock
    You: Barbados lol
    You: I just seel cool things all day long
    You: I'm going to start up my Top Picks again on Ross
    AsterixLe Gall: oh chit
    You: I had them all saved up they're hard to keep picking so many!
    AsterixLe Gall: sorry SLTV
    AsterixLe Gall: well is good list there
    AsterixLe Gall: for like new SLers to go and is loook at for sure mans
    AsterixLe Gall: get your botties on down there FANZ !!!!!
    AsterixLe Gall: otays is like
    AsterixLe Gall: next one is
    AsterixLe Gall: of all stuff in SL
    AsterixLe Gall: what most STUPIDEST fing is of all ?
    You: I'm afraid the first thing that comes to mind is that Linden cabin in the atoll sims
    AsterixLe Gall: Linden cabin ?
    You: it knocks your around inside, you can't see when you walk in the door
    AsterixLe Gall: lol
    AsterixLe Gall: poor build yuh ?
    You: you wonder why would they make all these cabins and have them not work?
    You: but that's just not the stupidest maybe
    AsterixLe Gall: lol
    You: I guess the stupidest thing I find in the game itself
    You: every time you try to edit something
    AsterixLe Gall: i is has to go up for take snapshots now for site for sure
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh yuh
    You: it rocks your whole av into seeing way above the roof
    You: so you can't see the thing y ou're editing
    You: now what's up with that?
    AsterixLe Gall: yeah mans that pisses me off to
    AsterixLe Gall: specially is when just got new prims with me L$50 pckets money
    AsterixLe Gall: n then is like making different size
    AsterixLe Gall: and is cant see them
    AsterixLe Gall: n then
    AsterixLe Gall: is like move them with arrow
    AsterixLe Gall: n is like go weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
    AsterixLe Gall: and like disappear is off screen
    AsterixLe Gall: that is ultra sucks for is like SL
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: ooops ahahahah stop ranting fottsy ahahahahaha
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: otays
    AsterixLe Gall: n like final one man
    AsterixLe Gall: what is most cutest thing is ever seen in SL ?
    You: hehehe
    You: I wno't say lol
    Rosa Parks: That ho Twiggy at the Sleezywood brothel!!!
    AsterixLe Gall: lol is chix mans ?
    Twiggy Lawson: my shaved PUSSY !!!
    You: but they'll know who they are lol
    Ekim Bienenstich: that poodle on a stick is pretty hot
    AsterixLe Gall: woah big up the massive posse for is like Prof's chix
    AsterixLe Gall: who ever is like yuh yuh
    You: : )
    AsterixLe Gall: right prof
    AsterixLe Gall: it seriously been pleasuer is have on show for tonite
    You: kk any time
    You: and like I said go out and get all sides of the story
    AsterixLe Gall: and massive respets for like come on at short notice man
    AsterixLe Gall: is saved the day
    You: triangulate triangulate
    You: that's how we will get the truth in this complex world
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh mans you is right
    You: hear everybody out
    You: meet with everybody
    AsterixLe Gall: so like FIC fanz, is want one of is you for is come up on show
    You: ok gl dude
    AsterixLe Gall: and respond
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: thanks again mans
    AsterixLe Gall: keep tuned, is will do as say
    AsterixLe Gall: and get a FICer up man
    You: yeah go do all the sides and we can have a point counterpoint
    You: LOL
    You: ok gnight
    AsterixLe Gall: :)
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    AsterixLe Gall: ty again mans
    AsterixLe Gall: right is want to explains sumting here
    Rosa Parks: yay!! good show!!
    AsterixLe Gall: this what independant tv all about
    AsterixLe Gall: is like want to hear all sides for fottsy
    AsterixLe Gall: hey mikey how that stool going man ?
    AsterixLe Gall: is building yet ?
    Ekim Bienenstich: doin good
    AsterixLe Gall: for those who isnt know
    AsterixLe Gall: Mikey down there sat on the stool jar
    AsterixLe Gall: is doing foxtrots
    AsterixLe Gall: for collection
    Ekim Bienenstich: yuh yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: as can see
    AsterixLe Gall: is not got a bad doodoo going on already mans
    AsterixLe Gall: what we is gonna name the stool mans ?
    AsterixLe Gall: we gotta has name for the stool
    Ekim Bienenstich: ekims dooks
    AsterixLe Gall: that the way mans
    AsterixLe Gall: so yuh that what Mikey is doodoo down there
    AsterixLe Gall: for those who is need know
    AsterixLe Gall: he building up collection of dook
    AsterixLe Gall: which
    AsterixLe Gall: is going for power
    AsterixLe Gall: super foxtrots generator
    Ekim Bienenstich: hahaha ya
    AsterixLe Gall: to ppower for like website
    AsterixLe Gall: yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: turd burning
    AsterixLe Gall: yaahahahahahahahahahah lol
    Ekim Bienenstich: ya my duke burn good
    AsterixLe Gall: right yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: is was talk about independant tv
    AsterixLe Gall: that what it about here at super fox show
    AsterixLe Gall: independant
    AsterixLe Gall: and neutral yuh
    AsterixLe Gall: so like prof said
    AsterixLe Gall: is want now for liek FIC to come on show at some point
    AsterixLe Gall: and is like
    AsterixLe Gall: say something for in reply

    The Infohubs and the Telehubs

    All of a sudden, the Lindens have put Torley on the job of pimping the Infohubs. These desolate, forlorn places with their ominously cheery hippo art have been collecting at most 40 traffic points a day.  The Lindens stuck them in the list of places and made them collect traffic (to see how they were doing) which means, among other things, they are diluting the whole traffic/dwell/dwellopers' award thingie in its last agonizing month.

    I've camped the Infohubs now and then, as I have malls near them, and I see that no one ever comes, except sometimes the stray newbie collecting some freebies, or oldbie seeing if in fact there is anything that could be done with these blank, boring, federal spaces that have the blank, boring, federal look of all federal spaces.

    Long ago, before these hippos ate my telehub and my business, I suggested that the businesses who owned the land around the telehub areas being converted to infohubs should be encouraged to form Business Improvement Districts. Those who succeeded in collaborating and making an association would be deeded the space for the group much like group deeds are given on private islands -- without the ability to sell the land. They would then frankly put their own advertising, events board, quest games -- whatever -- probably within some sort of limits, i.e. they might have been kept PG and free of casinos and camp chairs, but advertising would be frankly and firmly admitted as necessary in the world of horribly limited advertising capacity, a huge anti-business climate, and the only visible ad in game that of a land extortionist and political opportunist named Lazarus Divine.

    I did IM a few business owners on various sims to see if they'd be interested in forming such Business Improvement Districts to try to save the telehub areas and make these proposals to the Lindens. Most people had only one concept in mind -- either to bail out of their business, which was now failing, or to try to get into the telehub buyback program, get some cash, cash it out, and go get an island to have a safer business, not only free from griefing and ugly builds, but safe from the endless Linden tinkering to the society which often occurs on the backs of people on the mainland and their properties. Who can blame them?

    In my experience, unless you have a group behind your back already having created and done something, it's foolish to go clamour to the Lindens to do something like open up some of their Infohubs to a Business Improvement District concept. Still, it could be debated. Who, but the businesses in the area, are going to be more motivated and more interested in working for free? Of course, the anti-business gang on the forums, a determined and vicious minority, will try to kill this idea as being all about "helping barons blah blah". But of course, it merely helps the middle class because the barons don't need Infohubs, they have their hundreds of sims to sell and rent and their own worlds and "infohubs" to maintain.

    Indeed, when Robin Linden said we should generate ideas about what to do with the Infohubs, and reiterated this, I had to say that their deadlines were, as usual, far too killer (it was like 6-7 days, and no one had any time to prepare something unless they already had stuff in inventory to plunk down or were part of the usual contest-winning group mafias). Not being a builder or scripter myself, I could commission something, as I've done for my own properties, but then I had to pause: why am I paying to put content, time, treasure, and talent on to Governor Linden's property, and giving him dwell?

    I have my own properties to put time, talent, and treasure in and get traffic to, without having to feed the Lindens' lame effort to create "federal spaces".

    If we had a real "federal government" and for that matter, a parliament and independent judiciary, I might be willing to put "volunteer work" forward to help "the community". But...I already help the community with lots of subsidized stuff, philanthropy, and low-cost rentals -- and in the face of constant government destruction of business through killing the GOM, land-glutting, removing the telehubs precipitously, and a score of other bad policies. Why should I be stepping up to "help my country" when I don't even have a country?

    When I see that Torley Linden is "helpfully" proposing that these Infohubs even be rented out FOR FREE to "homes and business" I can only go into a fury, figuratively speaking (of course, it's only a game, duh). I can only shrug, and write to Torley and complain bitterly. Of course, the classic act of a disgruntled land developer is to "tier down in protest" and they think the Lindens are going to notice this "huge hemorrhage" of their bottom line *cough*. But, as Kenny Linden once crystallized it perfectly, "There's always another guy to buy the island. Do you want me to help you tier down?" That's the bottom-line attitude of the Lindens, and their attitudes to their own "Your World, Your Imagination" stuff. Sure, have that -- and have "Your Own Tier Bill" too. But then...they reserve the right to compete directly with you.

    Do you know why I tiered down two sims this fall after they announced not only p2p, but newbie housing and combat sims and instructional spaces? Because telehub malls are one thing that I could count on to generate some income to more than pay for themselves, because people really did come to them and really shopped at them, duh. I know that runs against the received wisdom. I didn't chisel rent, I provided low-cost rent, but I could still hope that would cover some other aspects of my business that I wanted to be loss-leaders or subsidized to build communities. If I already had a combat sim, opened up to the public for free and only asking donations, if I already had several newbie communities with dozens of spots for only $50/week, if I already had free vending areas, if I already had free instructional and meeting spaces or asked a nominal $100 if you were a business, then why would I encourage the Lindens to offer the same? If they begin using their considerably greater advertising and building clout (with FIC help) to put out the same kind of content -- combat sims, instructional spaces, newbie housing) -- why should I be harming myself and helping them to yet again vamp their own stuff and the stuff of their pets? Why????

    Writing to the Lindens, asking them why they were doing this, urging them not to do this because I and actually many other people ALREADY provide instructional space, sandboxes, newbie housing (even free housing), etc. -- it produced a deafening silence.

    Because as we can now see from Daniel Linden, the Lindens conceive of the mainland as Governor Linden's Estate. They want to run it and make it perfect. They want it to show off their game. They don't want players' content crapping up the view and harming their PR. That is -- and this is really a hysterical conundrum and a contradiction -- on the one hand, they want to have as little control over content and "creativity" as possible so as to lure in content creators with the illusion of freedom, and they don't mind then if whole swathes become Purina and go to the dogs. They won't even do a modicum of even the most basic TOS enforcement. But on the other hand...they want to control it harshly to make parts of it "look good" for the media and new customers and outside analysts (including, I imagine, analysts from other game or computing companies that are eyeing the whole prize to buy it up wholesale and run it themselves, keeping the Lindens as a kind of Maxis to EA.com to continue to provide "creative ideas" etc.) So...they want to control things like combat, instruction, and newbies because that's how they influence the most active and the most new members of society, to mold them into their vision. They don't want to let that go because it would mean letting go of their ascribed Better World mission. That other people might have something roughly similar to their Better World concept in also subsidizing newbies, instruction, and combat doesn't matter. THEY want the control over it.

    You could posit a concept of a federal government that would maintain public spaces -- roads, easements, free vending areas, information areas, combat areas, instructional spaces, newbie communities. Many well-meaning tekkie wikinistas imagine this is a good thing, and the thing they imagine MOST about it is a very visible and vaunted role of THEMSELVES taking part in this great Wiki in the Sky and having their scripted or built thingie prominently featured as "helping the community".

    But what in reality happens with totally federally-run and chaibolist/crony capitalist type public spaces, that don't have the partnership of real authentic small/medium/big business, is something much less appetizing. This would be a rough analogy to a very socialist-minded and social-engineering society, something like the Soviet Union which used to create vast parks for the People, huge Palaces of Culture, gigantic Sports Stadiums, giant Prospekts or avenues for people to parade up and down (they didn't use to have many cars of their own) -- all built in the Stalinist Gothic mold to overawe the lowly citizen and make him realize the power of the State. The vision wasn't that different from the Tsarist-era estates where one wealthy landowner would build a huge mansion or dacha in the country for himself, and have lots of cottages for the serfs, and then have various entertainments for them, ranging from pubs, folk dancing, to magic light lantern shows.

    It's not enough that the Lindens have their phalanxes of Helpers, Mentors, Greeters, etc. to sequester and filter the newbies on Help Island and stream them to their own content and their own commerce circles to buy their content -- sometimes directly out of stores right on Help Island.  They also want the mainland to be something where they can infiltrate their presence everywhere.

    And frankly, life on the Grid is about choices. Would I rather have the bland federal government with its warmed over 70s liberalism and lefty Better World concepts run the public spaces? Or would I rather have the Goreans or Clubb Lagg run the public spaces? Like I said, life is about choices...

    You would think these Lindens had enough to do with there tiny staff of 80 covering these 2000 servers -- just making the servers work right and policing griefing might keep them more than busy. But they always aspire for more -- especially that visible "more" that they can get out of maintaining combat sims, instructional spaces, etc.

    I'm trying to reflect on this from all angles. On the one hand, I'm something of a federalist (at least when it comes to a Russia-like or Yugoslavia-like situation) at least having centralized human rights and economic standards and transparency to prevent local abuses and corruption. I think a Linden federal government is a good thing. I'd rather, of course, if we have to have a government, that it be a more normal affair of three branches with their famous checks and balances. But I realize Tsar Lindenoff is not going to let go of the Estate any time soon, and if he does, it will only be to create the Soviet Union with all its All-Union Enterprises run out of the Central Committee. So probably the only hope to break up this coffee klutch of theirs is to have lots of local communities that defy federal intrusion on certain freedoms, even as they allow federal power to ensure certain standards -- for example, I think many of us could agree that there shouldn't be sims where people are griefed on the basis of race, sex, creed, political belief, etc. However, given that some "role-playing" communities actually seek these "local standards" the Lindens are about to face squaring some really nasty circles on this -- another blog topic.

    It's funny that after nearly three years of sandboxing, laughing and peeking through their fingers as they watch script kiddies go about crashing the grid for fun, making socialist hippie communes, and a flurry of Hippo statues, the Lindens are finally settling down and saying, gosh, gee, we need a public commons...like the Boston Commons!

    And again, I'm torn between saying, ok, good, that's a great, uniform, federalizing activity that I welcome and wish to help, and condemning it as the usual intrusive, annoying, competition to their own residents. It's because of the way they are going about it, as usual.

    Of course other people long ago realized this need, and just put it in their own communities. Most big neighbourhood projects, whether a Lusk or a Neualtenberg or a Slate, have public areas for meeting. I knock myself out to put them in every one of my communities -- and of course it's just empty space I tier, out of which I can sometimes get extra prims to sell, but which normally goes to waste....except when it doesn't, which to me, is one of the most fascinating aspects of the SL adventure, to see what works and doesn't work to bring people to public spaces.

    Maintaining a roster of several dozen public spaces and the SL Public Land Preserve, I could write a book about what people do in public spaces. Maybe I will some day. One of the highlights of my day is to turn on the game and do a search under these properties and see what people did on them the previous day. Sometimes they build something interesting and lasting and sell it. Othertimes they fire-prim bomb it. Sometimes they fall in love. Sometimes they come to hate each other and ask me to ban all of each other from each others' properties. Here's the short form:

    o People don't gather on public spaces that you call "public spaces" and put park benches on. They run from them like from fire. I mean, who wants to sit on a boring fucking stone bark bench made out of municipal cement? Jesus H. Christ, this is Second Life, not First Life. If I'm going to sit, I want to sit on something that is far more compelling.

    o Nevertheless, because some people do use their First Life memes and look around for FAQs and things like newbie housing listings and free prefabs and suggestion boxes and the Metaverse Messenger and SL Herald boxes, it's a good idea to clump these together in a little area around benches or something that says "public commons" about it. It's a shame that the one freebie municipal-looking park bench is so high-prim, but there it is, putting out other kinds of benches doesn't send the message.

    o A Sandbox is probably the thing most likely to get high traffic. People even outside the community looking for a quiet place to build without shooters and assholes that you constantly find in these big Linden-sponsored sandboxes will come to those neighbourhood sandboxes -- Obscure Sandbox gets huge traffic, as does Anshe's Mature Sandbox, and at my level, my smaller sandboxes in Columbia, Hartwick, Tuliptree all get good traffic.

    o Other kinds of activities are also good to have. I have a variety of things for people to click on:  wishing wells, Tarot, information about the game, housing/renting/buying land info, fish to feed or watch, eating animations at tables, games like Skeeball, barrel racing, woods and builds to explore, treasure hunts, news to read and links to newspapers, the SLExchange and Ginko terminals, etc. etc. I WANT NONE OF THESE ON INFOHUB LAND BECAUSE I WANT THEM TO BE ON MY LAND TO DRAW TRAFFIC, DUH, AND SO DOES EVERYBODY ELSE IN BUSINESS.

    o Regularly scheduled events are also a must. People will come to an area regularly if they know there is always an event there. In fact, some of them will even log in there regularly and hang out, or stay after the event.

    o As much as the forumerati sneer at them, realistic things like eating animations, builds that actually look like pubs or houses or temples or churches, etc. make people feel comfortable and they come to them. There are some who like the theory of a modern, sharp-edged, geometric, complicated structure in this world and think avatars should be forced to like it. That's the theory behind the public toilets of white porcelain that Adam Zaius makes for the instructional spaces and the recruiting center for the Lindens when he "wins" the contests they have. But all you have to do is look at these spaces when there is no Philip Linden or Hamlet Linden in them: they are starkly empty. No one will go to these places unless chloriformed or frog-marched under armed guard if there are no Lindens in them.

    o As the New York City Police discovered in trying to curb panhandling and drugs in Penn Station and Grand Central Station, music can play a huge role. They put on classical music in Penn Station, and the druggies scattered -- it drove them nuts. Meanwhile, the middle class appeared and began to linger longer over their Annie's Pretzels and lemonade. I recently discovered that one of the reasons one of my public spaces never had people on it was because it had rave/trance on -- I simply shut it off and more people came with no music than if I had tried to put on more crowd-pleasing music. The people who re-did Bryant Park made these discoveries too -- they put in lots of activities like chamber orchestras on the street or jazz at lunchtime, book stalls, latte stalls, etc. Lefties might snark about "gentrification" but people get damn sick of picking their way past hypodermic needles and people trying to hawk weed and chicks at them as they try to get to work. 

    o  If anything, Bryant Park has TOO much in it, and that's one of the things to think of -- how to leave enough of a blank slate for people to put stuff out on themselves. What I've discovered, which mystifies me, is that you can have an elaborate build, with various interactive clicks, and people ignore it, and stand around a relatively empty place just starting at a fish stick waiting to see if a fish will come. It all depends on whether the other people they are with are their friends already and they like them. Friends will stand around on a flat plain with a rock; strangers might require more interactivity and visuals so the right mix has to be found.

    Accordingly, the Linden infohubs should have room, space, rezzing ability, some free content, some information, and then go away and leave us alone.

    If they can't provide a long enough time-table, and a free enough environment for actual businesses to take on these areas as Business Improvement Districts that put in content in exchange for advertising, then they should make sure that they provide just the minimum, and don't compete.

    Many people have gone to a huge amount of trouble to create gathering spaces of all kinds -- and I don't mean the top laggy clubs with their raucous music, scantily-clad avatars, money balls, camp chairs, and vacant zombies either AFK or in cyber chat. I mean the literally hundreds of nice neighbourhood pubs, meeting places, coffee shops, garden cafes, jazz clubs, plazas, group seating, large homes open to the public, etc. etc. I've got dozens of these in my communities, but I'm not tooting my own horn. I see many people, especially newer people, making entire sims that have housing, shopping, clubs and public space all conceived in them as one whole. I can think of Motor City, with its tire swing, freebies, cars, and Tringo all rather nicely arranged. Or the new garden cafe in Grace, which is really turning out to be a great sim as it stabilizes away from malls set down on cheap PG land, mafias (ditto) firebombing the place etc. and now as St. Paul's Cathedral nears completion, the rentals can fill up as all the firebombers ebb away, people begin to buy in the area to put out homes and lower-impact stores, etc. It's a great thing to see, one of the greatest things about the mainland -- if only the Lindens don't kill it!

    There are numerous pubs all over of the very nicest type with friendly, local people, genuine friendships, not that laggy/forced/cybery feeling that giant hypey clubs have. These are in the Elfen lands, in Ansheland, but also places like the Creative Commons fund-raiser held over this weekend. There's the club for business people that Hailly arranges on a regular schedule -- there are actually dozens of art galleries now in SL (come to Society for Virtual Architecture in Ak'sha and get the list of them to explore). SL is settling down, becoming more middle class -- and that's a good thing, as it gets away from the extremes of basic account poverty which leads in some percentage of cases to griefing, clubbing, and instability and bulk discount wealth, which leads to a feeling that only a few oligarchs own the world. The middle class is what actually helps SL become more creative and diverse and have a lot more granularity and less extremes in it.

    All of this the Lindens will kill, once again, with their lefty social engineering if they start offering InfoHub spaces as fancier builds that are "rented out to houses and businesses". Houses and businesses already pay the Lindens tier, for God's sake, and the people paying that tier are desperate to get tier, traffic, business, and if nothing else, fine fellowship on their lands. Let them, and get out of their way. Don't try to provide a substitute for that.

    Given that the Lindens are bound and determined to monkey with public spaces in SL, however, and can't seem to let residents themselves take care of this, we can only try to curb their excesses. I think the bare minimum is that all of us in the land development business and many people who just run their own clubs, pubs, galleries, meeting places, etc. have to object strongly and loudly to the Lindens getting into the meeting place business -- they merely draw traffic away from residents. They simply MUST NOT rent out these spaces for free or for pay, and get out of the rentals business entirely. These spaces must enhance business by providing more advertising capacity, links to other builds/spaces/activities run by residents, etc.

    The single greatest recommendation I can give for these Infohubs is to have fairly large, rotating, payable billboards on them for people to advertise THEIR OWN businesses, services, and gathering spaces. Currently, the telehub-ad format really sucks. It's hard to maneuver, there isn't enough time to put both the card and the texture in, you have to know to hit "control-mouseclick" to drop the texture -- otherwise you see a "lock" icon (it never tells you that, and many go away frustrated) and it just isn't visible enough -- only one person's ad can be visible at a time. The Lindens and their FIC friends simply have to get over their fastidiousness about large see-at-a-glance billboards that might have one big add or 10 smaller ads stretched across to see all at once.

    I'm amazed that a billboard I have like this at Pharos with clickable pieces to get a link to go and explore something else actually gets traffic on it, even if in the low double digits. That means if I put more effort into refreshing it and putting events on it I would get more -- without even doing a thing, just putting it there, it gets traffic.

    Real people in the real world look at, and use, billboards. They don't like them in their view, in their water, in their forest at home, like this awful Lazarus and Mr. Lee stuff. The Lindens need to get rid of that and enforce their own TOS. But they COULD be putting in large billboards in public spaces. Absolutely. Could and should. The traffic and usage they will get on these billboards should put paid to the minority of forums FICers howling. I wish they would do this. Active Worlds has this when you land, as do other worlds. It's just normal. It's what you have in a normal world when you aren't hobbled by lefty social engineering design concepts where you imagine that people are going to genteely dress up in tuxes, congregate on a lawn like Apres Midi Sur L'Herbe, spot a tiny engraved placard of less than a meter in size advertising a rousing study of 18th-Century Poetry, and click on it and congregate and traffic up a storm.

    The Infohubs need to have the monopoly of InfoNet ended. All residents with daily/weekly news services should be encouraged to put their newspaper kiosks/terminals in a "free press" corner the way New York City allows the free press to be put in boxes on street corners.  A very light touch should be used on this free press -- it should not be censored, nor should the Lindens, under the guise of refraining from interference in fact merely let a fake public-interest entity like InfoNet, which has a very determined agenda and bias, dominate the public airwaves.

    The Infohubs should also have rezzing in all of the areas, so that people can put stuff out. It can be put on 30 or 60 minutes autoreturn, but the thing most people do when they meet is show their acquisitions or creations, so that should be accommodated.

    The Lindens should stop listening to all their screaming Mentors and allow newbies to rez in the Info areas. Let these lazy and feted Mentors stir their stumps to come and camp the few InfoHubs where the newbies will spawn. Mentors object that having newbies rez all over the place will make it "too difficult" to collect them all in a herd and indoctrinate them. Well, the whole concept of having newbies spawn in infohubs is to allow those of us who still have land near the old telehubs, and still run businesses, residential areas, and public spaces, to informally help these newbies and provide something for them to do. The world is too big and growing too fast to leave all the newbie stuff to this official phalanx -- which, of course contains some real bad eggs in it and is corrupt at root as a system in any event.

    I imagine there aren't a lot of businesses left around the telehubs, but there are some. Of course, a real hoax was perpetrated on the Lindens. Some big barons who had telehub land clearly and unmistably purchased before August 1, 2005, which was their deadline for the telehub buyback offer, managed to sell the land to themselves or reparcel, thereby technically changing the date on the land, and then get the buyback from the Lindens. Shame on them, and shame on Lindens for being so obtuse as to not see this. One of the side effects of this bilk is that it tied up all that land for weeks in Linden hands and they are only slowly going to get it up on the auction. While they claimed they sell it for Lindens to help soak up the inflationary Lindens they just pumped into the system with their telehub buyback, in fact, they've been selling some of these old telehub parcels for dollars. Oh, well, the Lindens always do what is in their interests. It was in their interest to look the other way on these fake dates so that those barons could get the cash to buy their new bulk-auction sim areas. Basically, the Lindens just want a way to get the population controlled better, to make the green dots siphon off to newer servers and private islands and bulk areas where land barons and their staff do the work, so the Lindens don't have to.

    I should point out that business is just starting to pick up after the horrible blow of the p2p, telehub buybacks, and then bulkauction sims. Business -- and the Linden rate -- might just pick up and stabilize IF THE LINDENS DON'T DO ANY MAJOR THING TO MESS IT UP AGAIN. Of course, their "reform" of the group tools, if done badly and implemented hastily, might be just that sort of thing that might mess stuff up badly. The world seems to have an incredible resourcefulness about bouncing back from all their deadly cuts and destructive changes. Free economies are like that! Now, when they remove Dwellopers in March, there will be an immediate impact felt. Therefore I hope they have the good sense not to introduce any other horrible change in March TOO to really deliver the dealth blow to clubs and other businesses.

    Honestly, I really wish the Lindens would just GO AWAY and make the servers work and stop tinkering and doing social engineering.

    I could spend another three hours "consulting for the Lindens for free" as Aspen urges me to do lol, but don't I have my own properties to run, where I need to develop and add content and "add value" on my own, especially since they compete with me at every turn? I don't mind competing with Anshe Chung or Hiro Queso, they come with the territory. I do mind competing with the Lindens, however, because they really do have an unfair advantage, not only by controlling MOTD, the forums, and other public media, but by having their phalanxes of free fanboyz and FIC to do all the work for them.

    The InfoHubs, like all federal space in SL, will fill up with fanboyz and FIC. One could try to participate and stem this tide. I sat in at least one seemingly endless meeting of many hours as a group of land barons tried to figure out how to operate a quest, or some sort of newbie question answering station that would pay out for work in a way that camp chairs do not, and after lots of helpful suggestions were made, and lots of brains were wracked, people gave up. Because it just means yet again, spending, time, money, tier, and staff on doing something not for your own land, that has suffered huge losses with telehub borks, grey squares, GOM killing, the LinDEX falling, etc. but doing something for the Lindens -- not even the general public that you might conceive of as your customers in some fashion, directly or indirectly. You just don't find the motivation under these circumstances.

    I can conclude by pointing out that the Lindens have far from analyzed or completed this very hasty and ill-advised transition from telehub to p2p. They have a hallucinatory concept that this is what people wanted and it was all good.

    But..if things are so good, why is the Linden/dollar ratio so bad? It can't all be explained by telehub buy backs, referrals farming, or camp chairs.

    When the GNP figure of the world changed from $40,000 to $150,000 or even $200,000 practically overnight with p2p, and yet the Linden/dollar ratio drastically dropped (now 50 cents lower than what it was for many months on GOM, i.e that $4.00 that Philip always said he would try to keep it at is now at $3.50), you just have to wonder what the hell is going on.

    Of course, there's the land glut -- the Lindens just put out way too much land, but they do that because in fact, the old land on the mainland is pretty much all owned, even if that means people are waiting months and months to sell their land to get off it, or barons are spending months with it on their tier. As long as somebody owns it, even if the market is flat, it's no skin off theirs. They know the illusion of the "land is your blank canvas" is so strong that people will keep spending more and more to buy fresh fast mature up north or down south or in the northeast or southeast bulk sims just to get that "new sim smell" feeling with your avatar zooming around almost too fast from all that great FPS oxygen going to his head.

    Of course, the Lindens could fix the LindEX up enormously by not having the worst possible sell-rate pop into your box automatically, so that everyone logging on sells at the worst possible rate (which makes it the buyers' market that the Lindens want it to be, of course, and benefits the Lindens). The limits on buys, i.e. the ability not to be force-fed a number, or not to have to go and study another screen but see the whole market in front of me as I figure out what my limit should be, would help the rate, as some people would realize they could put out better sell rates and wait even just a half day or a day to get that better rate on their sale.

    But when I see a jump like $40,000 to $160,000, I know that what's really going on with p2p is that many content creators got the windfall of their dreams. Everyone is shopping more. It's not even p2p that works for you in terms of a map and this fake "exploration" that the Lindens still imagine people do (when in fact they face more ugly ban and bounce lines than they ever did since p2p).

    What works is to press on somebody's picks or on the FIND  or the Classifieds ads and go right to the place. You can even click on a build, and while in edit mode, see the author's name, click on their name, see their picks, and p2p to their store to buy their prefab -- even with the object still in edit mode on the new sim you're on (I imagine some rubber bands snapping on servers somewhere with that practice, it can't be a good thing lol.)

    And what are those content creators doing? Well, they are just cashing out. Obviously. That's what they do. Their sales were languishing for so long, they faced stiff competition from new people and telehub malls, so they just want to get "what's mine" now. They are cashing out, and playing WoW. They are not sinking money back into the economy in terms of new creations that they sustain by either sponsoring others to build or have jobs managing clubs, or sponsoring the arts, sponsoring contests, sponsoring builds even for commercial purposes, sponsoring scripting or creating any jobs or new opportunities whatsoever.

    We're seeing the obvious logical results of creator-fascism. Squeeze money out of consumers for expensive content...then take the money out of SL, i.e. not put it back in through investment into commissioned builds, commissioned scripts, contest money, grant money -- money of any kind that goes beyond oneself.

    This kind of selfish activity is "normal" and to be expected in a slash-and-burn capitalist society. You could try to appeal to the social responsibility of some of these creator-fascists who just believe in creating content, cashing out, and blaming newbies for not learning how to create content to get along in the world -- and after they're done humiliating them in that way on the forums, expecting them to go buy dollars on the LindEx and buy the creator-fascist content. And they're right. Most humiliated people do exactly that LOL.

    BTW, Anshe is one of the people who doesn't do this "taking out of SL" stuff. She is constantly investing back into the community -- but the community by her lights. That is, she buys more sims and terraforms them and makes themed communities on the people's demand. If they want sandy beaches, she gets it for them. She also sinks a certain amount of money into builds, public spaces like Central Park, organized vending like the Plush sims, etc. etc. Her money stays in SL and grows her businesss and it's a tide raising other boats who are the people who get jobs within her system, or simply move their and have residences and stores and an improved life.

    There's also the conspicuous consumption nouveaus that Desmond Shang has talked about, the "rich as God" type people who have thousands of RL dollars to blow on land, houses, and bling. I see these people all the time as tenants -- and God bless them. They are engines of the economy and great for business. They create jobs and a need for content and services and they are the backbone of the middle class. In many cases, they aren't just the "filthy rich" living off LindEx purchased dollars, they are people who started small and worked their way up through a huge amount of effort to make stores and content, and then at a certain point, they want to retire -- or at least spend some free time on-- a private island with a huge, expensive mansion. Whatever guffawing the anarchist basics and leftoid snotty architecterati might do over these nouveau riche types and their taste, they are keeping less snarky and less fussy architects and builders in US dollars enough to even pay their RL bills--and God bless 'em -- we can only hope this is another thing the Lindens won't kill somehow.

    There's one thing the Lindens could still do to fix the telehub/infohub disaster,which I continue to view as an unnecessary disaster. They could end the 128/128 lottery. This lottery was won by anybody smart enough, or accidental enough, to have purchased the land at 128/128 on any sim.

    That means whenever I type 128/128 for Columbia or Hartwick or Alston, I land in people's stores. Worses than any fighting-my-way-out experience at the old telehubs, if I don't feel like pulling out the map, waiting for it to rez correctly, peering at it, finding an empty spot to teleport to and hope it is updated enough not to port me to water or a wall (and this is 90 percent of all people who have this experience), I type the name in of course. I land and fight my way out of these stores, possibly even stopping to buy in them.

    I think it might be a good idea to remove the 128/128 landing concept, and have all type-ins make you arrive at the Infohub for that region. Why not? You will then have to fly the rest of the way to your destination. You won't face the same laggy malls, of course, but you will have to fly. Still, you won't be FORCED to fly that distance or land in that Infohub -- if you want to go to the trouble you can either a) look on the map and pinpoint teleport or b) do a FIND and pull up the ad on FIND or Classifieds and pinpoint by pressing the teleport bar.

    Ending the 128/128 unfair and unplanned lottery could be done at the very least for former telehub sims, to make people land in the inforhubs. Ideally, they'd be for all sims. That will "force traffic" to infohubs -- but it will be the traffic only of those who typed names in a list.

    It's not a perfect idea, because some people would rather type in a name and land in the water in the sim they need, than have to land 1000 meters from it. Still, it's worth considering as a necessary and doable corrective to the utter devastation of the transportation system they had.

    January 28, 2006

    Tracking

    The asylum has been handed to the inmates to run with the new resmod system enabling residents -- a hand-picked FIC list if there ever was one! -- to run the asylum -- the raucious, vicious, vituperative, imbalanced, non-TOS enforced forums of SL.

    Some Lindens, including even El Presidente himself, are said to want to shut the forums down completely and leave only the Linden announcements and classifieds. Perhaps they ought to consider shutting down "General" until they can get the right policy going to address it. I think a paid, benefited, salaried, full-time professional employee should run the forums, not harried office staff pulled in hundreds of directions, especially when one of those directions includes running another suspect overlord system called the Mentors, Greeters, Helpers, Instructors. It's just too many conflicts of interest.

    Instead, without the budget or the time to focus on this, LL is putting the badly-messed-up forums, with their outrageous lack of fairness and their horrid impunity for a hardy hardcore handful of mod friends and Linden pets, into the hands of...some of their best pets, either self-selected through volunteering, or through being picked by Jeska and other Lindens themselves. The mind boggles. In other words, the reward for your vicious posting, bullying, harassment, and general snarkiness is...to get to be in charge to give a pass on that same behaviour in others.

    It's been funny to see people like Jeffrey Gomez, a forums favourite and *this close* to being FIC (he'd be FIC if he weren't critical of his game dev project meltdown on outside blogs...tsk, tsk, Jeffrey and you were *so close*!) -- fall all over themselves to explain that they didn't want this, don't need this, and if asked to serve, will decline.

    A few days of having the inmates further run the asylum and even perform the lobotomies, removing threads, deleting threads, creating non-event and non-persons, and people are already screaming, especially some of the biggest bullies whose threads were always intended to reduce even new people to tears. But it's in part accidental.

    Apparently some people posting meta-discussions are stickied -- an absolutely unprecedented practice in a world where stickies have always been the Linden province. And others are being put to off-topic. I can't see all of it, but I understand that even Cristiano is complaining.

    What is most, hilarious, is that people are complaining about the resmods now having the names of those who abuse-report...and what they might do with that information. Gasp! They might go to third-party sites! Gasp!

    Pendari is claiming that even if there isn't a TOS violation, if there are enough ARs, the Lindens must take action. (!) And therefore such information can't be publicized so that the outside word can't see the gang warfare and group-think on the SL forums. This is exactly what's wrong with the system -- execution by group-think.

    I could remind everyone that this is EXACTLY what was done in my case: the Lindens themselves told me that it was not that I had violated the TOS, so much as that they had a storm of abuse reports -- "we have a riot on our hands" and they felt they had to "do something."

    So sure, the power of only 20 people to be thorough-going assholes, hysteric drama queens, thin-skinned assholes, is enormous, because they can cook the books and sway the Lindens. And that's exactly what we've seen all along.

    All of a sudden some of these self-same assholes, now at the switchboard and the control panel, see this assholery pouring in, and now those suddenly dependent on them imagine the assholery pouring in...and they get worried. They see how it works, and being not totally immune to reason, they wonder what the consequences are.

    What if one of their number breaks ranks, and decides to go and tell tales out of school, to tell a story, for example, that when Cocoanut makes a perfectly reasonable and non-TOS-violating statement, that a slew of vicious fanboyz like Enabran or fangirlz like Pendar might well be deluging the mods with complaints, just because they don't like what is said.. not only about their own bad behaviour, but the system itself? One can well see that a harried mod or resmod, dealing with a deluge like that and unable to stand up to it by saying, "This isn't a TOS violation, get a life," moves a thread to off-topic or some other cornfield.

    Many of the forum royals are complaining about this information about the AR reports now "getting out". They're fearful that some of this dirty little secret about the forums will now get out to the public. We'll be see that there really isn't moderation or TOS enforcement, but just squalid little squads of vicious fanboyz putting their pudgly little fingers on the AR button and squealing like little pigs.

    We always KNEW that is how it works, and now we can see how the forum royals themselves are screeching at the thought that PROOF of it might somehow leak out.

    Of course, people trust a system, and hope that when they file an abuse report, a Linden will sagely and impartially and dispassionately look at it, and not notice if there are 100 or 10 or 1 complaints, and deal with it "normally". But they don't. Not only because they are "only human" as some of them are quick to beg off, when you confront them with their persistent inconsistency but because five minutes ago, they were residents themselves with their little pals and biases.

    Now, that phenom, already a problem within the Linden ranks, is deepended with the resmod system (like the infamous Stratics resmods), we can see just how problematic it is.

    People are screaming about "privacy" now, worried their AR reports are going to "get out".

    I, in fact, have responded to these persistent calls to publicize the names of perpetrators with my own call to publicize the name of abuse reporters -- exactly what's happening now as a dozen new resmods start to get a glimpse into this awful system and see all those who file ARs -- many of them specious and malicious. 

    After all, a RL court of law or judicial proceeding would have the names of the plaintiff and the respondent, as well as prosecutor and judge, all known. Of course, in a vicious setting like certain Russian provinces, a judge attempting to try a case of a neo-Nazi who has stabbed or killed Jews of Tajiks might themselves be harmed or killed, along with those who gave testimony against the neo-Nazis and even their associates. This kind of evil system is one I know all too well, and in that setting, people begin to reach for solutions involving protected witnesses and anonymous testimomy and witness protection programs, etc.

    But we don't need a witness protection program in SL, it's a game, and your RL information isn't known (or shouldn't be known.) Instezd, what all of us need is protection from YOUR vindictiveness in anonymously -- with impunity, without proper oversight, without transparency -- filing specious abuse-reports on others.

    And speaking of how "they track you," Hiro, here's the link to the thread you claim is "deleted" as "all my threads are deleted".

    http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=46370&page=1&pp=15

    The name of the thread I started was "Insanity," and it addressed a threat sent to my email I used for the game from the apparent RL relative of a forums royal utterly immune to punishment for her evil deeds on the forums, whom I criticized, and who sent me a nasty threat claiming that all my IP information, email, weblogs, communications, blah blah blah were being turned over to the "FBI and the IRS" for "investigation."

    Your mind has to absolutely boggle at someone who would go to the FBI (the IRS part is merely bewildering) and complain about somehow who..negrated them in a game on their avatar? For...their bullying behaviour and evil disclosure of first-life information on the forums? I'd love to have a nice long chat with Agent Smith about THAT one. "Um, well, see it's a game where you make characters...and then they have these forums...no, they aren't real...no, not real information, but the characters...no, it's a forums where you use just the avatars name...no, I didn't contact that person, I have no idea who they are and have no way of knowing...no, officer this is a GAME with AVATARS...etc." 

    So in dealing with that completely untenable threat, which I immediately sent to LL (knowing they couldn't do much about it as it came to email essentially outside their purview), I felt that publicizing it, like I publicized Nolan's blackmail, might help dispel some of the sense of impunity and arbitrariness that people who do things like that feel in a game like this. They think they can engage in bad behaviour, and then if you call them on it, threaten you with prosecution.

    I think it's very instructive to read back over this thread to see how people behave, how horrible they are, and how their bullying, sneering, and sniping are utterly beside the point.

    http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=46370&page=1&pp=15

    Here's the exact quote of what I wrote, Hiro, and others labouring under this zealous and hateful illusion that I have not only said something technically inept, but something libelous or something "for which I was banned" -- which indeed I was not (the date of this post was May 14):

    "Good reason never to go to this untrustworthy site, people. They capture your IPS and try to use it to hone in on your place of business or residence in RL and to "track" you around the internet."

    NOTE: this statement was said in the context of 1) an emailed threat from someone reigning supreme on the forums and on third-party sites harassing me 2) the presence of third-party sittes that did indeed track me and out me, even if not using technical tools to do so, thereby impugning their good will and the public trust.

    1. First, get over yourself if you'd like to re-iterate the specious arguments that these thingies are called IPs (small "s" for the plural") and not "IPS" (Internet Service Provider) -- as I patiently explained, this error was not intentional, I fully understand the difference, and I also pointed out for extra credit that people often mix up these terms, and refer to the one when they mean the other, and people accept that on tech help pages -- I reproduce it here merely to show how hordes of forums jackals can stampede off in a direction of slamming you for a mistake like that, and miss the glaring fact of one of their number stooping so low -- and so ridiculously -- as to try to threaten you with "contacting the FBI" which was the CONTEXT for this thread that everybody resurrecting it as "proof of how Prok libels businesses" utterly forgets.

    2. Second, yes, they capture your IP address. That isn't disputed. Cristiano and others all say this, and indeed a blog site like this has the technology to capture the IPs. Can they use this to literally track you to your home using just that information? Well, of course not, and that issue is dissected and defended in the thread, but in fact using this information, matching it with others, they can and do track you -- and once the desire is there to track you, they don't even need an IP to go and fish out things you might have written somewhere else, then use the info of people of bad will to match it to your RL info, etc.

    3. Third, the issue at hand then is how they use that information, and what is their intent, not merely the technical capacity of this or that literal machine tracking. Given that a third-party site prevails over the outing of RL information, the outing even of the wrong RL information such as to libel, and engages in repeated, vituperative personal attacks in violation of *what would be the TOS IF they were bound by it* I raise questions about whether they are adequate partners for the Lindens.

    4. Again, to repeat: Fourth, the other issue at hand is not literally how you can track someone to their actual door -- I make that abundantly clear in that thread". It's how you can use the IP address as a marker, that will help you find other things -- a host of other things, especially when shared with other third-party sites in SL, who will likely have increasing powers with the integration of web-on-a-prim and the proliferation of more sites handling goods and services.

    All the major companies can even get together and block someone they hate collectively from even being able to shop or rent a home in SL -- and if you doubt they'll do that, you haven't aquainted yourself with the viciousness and retaliation of people in SL. Example: Marcos Fonzarelli, who bans me not only from his home parcel in Boardman, though I've never dream of going inside his house, also bans me from his public, huge building ARMORD in Miramare, so that I cannot even take people like interested newbies on a tour of this site among other architectural wonders. I and my alts are banned of this property, not because I've done anything to this property, or attempted to grief it in any kind of way, or done anything like prim bomb or verbally harass or send dollar payments or any of the typical griefing techniques of SL, but merely because I wrote something critical not even of him, but of a class of people he is in called "The FIC". Imagine! That's how it works! And that's how it will go on working unless more people begin to wake up and object.

    5. Once you have a person's URL, which many grab "normally" for services, with ill intent, you can track that IP itself to see if it "goes anywhere". Perhaps it might appear in some form on a work-related site, another game site, who knows? Use google and see what you come up with with reverse lookup like I tried with mine just now, that might just turn up a webpage or a help line or something somewhere, just like any google witch-hunt. Of course, you don't google it and come up instantly with a name and an address. That might take many more look-up and reverse look-up steps. But it is INFORMATION. And INFORMATION IS POWER.

    Indeed, I first learned of this concept of the "untrustworthy site" that grabs your IP information so that you have to be concerned, from a former friend and preeminent tekkie wiki who first told me this concept in detail as it relates to games (I'd heard of it before but hadn't thought of its consequences) and learned from this consummate tekkie that the reason they didn't even visit and read the Herald was because of their persistent -- and tekkily informed belief-- that it wasn't trustworthy, i.e. it can and would grab your IP and store it and use it to ban you. So there!

    I've found that people disagree about how much you can or cannot get out an IP, and what Internet Service Providers in fact will give up once they have this information, but when I see certain bad actors offering webhosting inside SL, I have to wonder how personal information will be used -- as any thinking person will.

    And Hiro and other fanboyz, I wish to point out once again: this thread "Insanity" about the problem of tracking with IPs -- SOMETHING SOMEONE THREATENED ME WITH IN MY PERSONAL EMAIL DUH was allowed to run for a whopping TWENTY FIVE PAGES. I was treated to all manner of ridicule and harassment from raising this REAL PROBLEM OF TRACKING. No mod closed it because of what *I* wrote, initially, or in a few posts down from my original post -- that was ALWAYS the case BTW. They didn't send me ANY warning over this thread -- which they themselves allowed to run for TWENTY-FIVE PAGES. Finally, not Jeska, but Robin, the senior Linden in charge of community, closed it and said "this post seems to have degenerated to attacks". The attacks *were on me*. They were NOT ABOUT "my personal attacks on others" -- a constant misrepresentation of the facts.

    The QUESTION I raised was LEGITIMATE. THE QUESTION I RAISED WAS ABOUT AN ASSHOLE THREATENING ME WITH TRACKING AND EVEN TURNING ME INTO THE FBI -- AN OUTRAGE. I was not warned, or banned over RAISING THIS QUESTION nor did LL accuse me of libel then, or when they banned me.

    So please, get over yourself and stop misrepresenting the public record, there for all to see. Go read the thread, and realize how fucking ridiculous it is. I raised a problem for the community at large because of a direct threat to me in which a person claimed to use my IP and turn me into the FBI for utterly specious reasons. I also raised the problem of a third-party site that would out my RL and harass me with fake RL info and cause a storm of hatred on the forums.

    And...why were they all doing this again, boys and girls? Because I questioned there continual bullying and harassment of others on the forums with impunity.

    What's hilarious to me is how quickly these squealing fanboyz picked for the resmod tasks, and the forum royals now under their whip, are now suddenly screeching about "privacy" of their AR'ing information andthe fear of third-party sites and what they might do with it.

    Yeah, be afraid, be very afraid!

    Perhaps they fear, just to pick a fake resident name, that Vicious Backbite, will turn out to be the one behind 50 percent of all AR's, and once this information gets out, third-party sites will begin to dissect Vicious Backbite's motives, and why Vicious Backbite gets even 10 percent of all her AR's to result in police blottered disciplined incidents because she's an old pal of the resmods or the LL mods and why Vicious Backbite gets many perks or whatever from LL.

    I think if only we could take the lid off the forums, to pick up the rocks there and peer underneath them, we're going to find something like that. Either some relative or crony or pal of a Linden as an explanation, or sheer idiocy and negligence, or both. Otherwise, you can't explain the persistent viciousness and bias in these forums.

    When Pathfinder can't even get the issue about the publicizing of the AR names, you realize you have a deep perception and culture problem, where the company culture has so overtaken its practitioners that they can no longer see straight. Nothing but the heartiest dose of reality could save them -- and where will that come from?

    If the "outing" of the AR names will put a curb on AR reports, I think that would be a very good thing. There are far too many of them, far too many spurious and vicious ARs filled with personal animus rather than an accurate assessment of the facts, and if the whole point of the AR system was to "help" the busy Linden mods because they "can't be everywhere," then real consideration should be given to taking down this AR system completely. If you have resmods who can presumably review these threads now with more "time and talent" then you have eyeballs in real time, and don't need the AR. If that produces some squawking, then perhaps real thought should be given to adding even more volunteers.

    Of course, the idea of having "jury duty" of every two weeks is absurd, because there is no training, no fair procedures, no history of good practices, and apparently no good supervision to make that kind of random and uneven system work.

    If the fear of being outed on a third-party site is enough to make the forums jackals worry that now their fellow FIC have the information about their AR wars against others, then so be it. Keep publishing it. Keep providing it. Let the resmods have all of it. Let the community in fact eventually get what only the Lindens have -- that outpouring of biased, vicious, and stupid abuse-reporting that is not based in any sort of rule of law but only based in evil subjectivity and Group-Think.

    Let the Lindens put to rest any notion such as purveyed by Pendari that Lindens will discipline people merely because "a large group in the community says so" and not under the law.

    INDEED, LET'S CATCH THEM DOING IT AND END THIS VICIOUS PRACTICE ONCE AND FOR ALL.

    They must enforce the rule of law, not the rule of Group-Think. They need to grasp that principle, and articulate it, and Pathfinder not "getting" this is of the utmost concern.

    The other thing to do, of course, might be to boycott these forums, stop posting on them, and for those of us permabanned, not even rebut them anymore. For example, when vicious little Preen Queen has the temerity to put on these forums that all her thinly-veiled attacks on me were really genuine general comments made about general issues, we could supply a list of all those posts that will more than prove that she is a vicious little psycho if she thinks she can get the community to believe that she isn't attacking someone with a post like "we need psychiatrists to treat gender dysphoria" or "Dear Jake, I have a boy who has a crush on me" or "I need safety from stalkers from the FBI". But...life is short, and then you die lol.

    Meanwhile, Hiro and others who continue to print this lame-assed libel against me that I libeled others and was banned for it, I invite you to read through the "Insanity" thread. Look again at this infamous quote, the TWENTY-FIVE PAGE discussion, and cease your misrepresentation of my case of permabanning.

    I was permabanned because Jeska, Pendari, and many other residents-turned-Lindens and residents-hoping-to-become Lindens and Lindens under their sway thought "something should be done" even if there wasn't a TOS violation but merely lots of abuse reports. It was and is unjust.

    Finally, nature is taking its course -- unbidden, uninvited. Truth will out! WOOT!

    January 27, 2006

    Do Not Put Rental Tools Into the Client

    The other day I left a message for a Linden: please don't think you'd be doing me a favour by putting rental tools into the land menu, you will dispossess me. So I'm not surprised that Khamon Fate has come up with the idea of putting rental tools in the land as the way to more elegantly fix the messiness of the group-tools reform.

    I'll bet some Lindens will faun all over this idea and say, ooooh, shiny, what a great idea to Empower the People to Effect Change and Make a Better World!

    Except...it's a bad idea for the following reasons, not the least of which it is being cooked up by people who don't actually try to rent, either as landlords or tenants.

    1. Rentals are currently run in the game of Second Life either through very elaborated scripted thingies, such as what Adam Zaius and Nexus Nash have scripted for Azure Islands, or less elaborate scripted thingies, or merely a "handshake" or in some cases a notarized notecard at Note Bena I imagine (or they could be). That means they have a huge variety of options that suit local needs that no Linden-created template can ever be expected to duplicate -- yet because it is Linden-made, will have the imprimatur of the game company itself and the federal government, and therefor can be expected to kill off resident-made rental scripts and systems (just like they did GOM).

    These various rental scripts have their pluses and minuses, let's review them:

    a) The Azure rentals are tied up to the whole GIGAS secondserver.net, requiring registering on this third-party site, so that it requires the usual futzing around inworld with a terminal, creating an account and accessing a site (thereby outing your alts BTW), getting an object into the inventory, etc. -- and it collects your avatar key (and therefore everything about your purchasing patterns and movements around SL, even if not your RL identity). Yes, we all know that everybody with third-party sites from GINKO to anshechung.com collects avatar keys and tracks avatars to see where they go and what they do in terms of sales, traffic, etc.

    In exchange for that free windfall of economic information, the Azure script gives you access to rental property in which you yourself can decide to pay by the week or the day, to pay a purchase price for a "deed" and then "maintenance" (tier) fee, or pay a higher-priced "rent," and then even add prims if you like. It's a very neat system from the owners' end, except when it breaks down, but from the tenant's end, it's awfully clunky struggling to work that repeating, stupid blue drop-down menu that moves slowly and is not intuitive. Still, in theory, it's pretty self-service and enables the GIGAS people to run their vast empire more efficiently without actually interrupting their college math classes to actually come inworld and serve customers : ).

    Best of all, this master rentals system enables Adam or Nexus or their minions to have mass executions at dawn -- anyone who has not paid their rent, who is tagged as a griefer, or who is just some kind of glitch is immediately ejected from the group, and in some cases banned from the properties, too. If you've ever sat in the morning and seen these groups massively execute in this way, it's unsettling. Knowing how unsettling it is, I never eject people myself until they haven't logged on for two weeks, have resisted all automatic and manual IMs telling them to pay or reduce their prims, or whatever.

    b) Probably most other rentals are run by the script created by Moonshine Herbst for his Rentomatic. Aside from being an ugly yellow-white-red texture that injures the eye across the grid, and is not changeable, this rentomatic is what I would call the Oligarch's Special. It is configured to force a four-week payment up front and most people use that option -- do they have a choice? It has no refunds. Unless you are an oligarch who can buy in bulk for the non-comm version, it provides a healthy commission (five percent of every transaction) to Moonshine, who was routinely on the top of the Leader list and popular places list as a result. It's a textbook case of Usury gone mad. Of course, you could buy the non-comm copy version which is thousands of dollars, but few people other than huge mall owners can afford those.

    c) Another rental script by former microbaron Hank Ramos used to pay out commissions to Hank constantly but for the lesser, more tolerable amount of 1 percent -- I wish I had a dollar for every time I used to see Hank getting paid out of my rentomatics using his script...but...*he* got that dollar ROFL.

    d) When I finally saved up enough money to break free of Moonshine's and Hank's usury -- their tax on me as a newbie trying to start a business which they as oldbies felt they had to apply -- I commissioned an independent scripter to make me a rentomatic with different features. The first thing I did was get rid of that forced four-weeks in advance stuff. At the scripter's suggestion, I even gave a 10 percent discount rather than a forced march. I built in a refund -- against the scripter's suggestion lol. I think people should have the freedom to refund at any time when they either find a better offer, run out of money, or are unhappy with their rentals. I find when people *can* refund they usually don't -- and to prevent abuse of the system, i.e. by people just wandering around and living one day in each house or something, I make the refund fee $150 and up depending on the price.

    After I and others began to use my newly-commissioned script that didn't pay commissions to the scripter, but was available for a flat cost and had refund capacity, Hank then suddenly released his script into the open for free. His script has one good feature -- because, like secondserver.net it takes avatar keys, it can tell you the name and location of the person renting.  This is extremely helpful to be able to contact customers wth the most important thing you need to tell many of them, even those not so new: join the group and activate it on yourself to build or decorate to hold the prims on the group land or they autoreturn.

    But unlike secondserver.net, because it is not hooked up to a third-party server, Hank's script doesn't require registration first, which is a nuisance and an obstacle to renters who often find the interface clunky. Thus it doesn't capture and collects their keys and save them somewhere to track them -- something I don't believe I or any business owner should be doing so casually in Second Life frankly. Instead, it sends a message to you, which fades out after the chat is closed. If you are offline, it delivers a message in your email. (Now, you could sit there and endlessly cut and paste those keys individually but who will bother?) The main thing is to be able to tell newbies especially, since they never read even the biggest and brightest instructions, that if they want the land to stop eating their furniture, they need to join the group, activate it, and set their prims to the group automatically by keeping the tag on as they decorate. I must say that a hundred times a week.

    The script I use doesn't enable the adding of prims -- but then, I'm not on a private island able to endlessly add them, sometimes just by buying and placing yet another island next to the one I have, in the same group.

    e) I should add another nuisance of sorts the private island dealer has to address is first becoming a member of a tenant's group as an officer, so that he can transfer the private island parcel to the new deeded group, and then leaving it. The tenant has the nuisance -- and an essential $100 tax on private island renters for being forced to create and maintain the group -- if it disbands because somebody leaves, or he doesn't pay for that alt account or something, he loses his deeded land, and this can then be resold on him before he has the chance to get it all together again to reach Anshe or Adam.

    I should add that unfortunately, Anshe, her staff, Adam and Nexus are almost never online when you need them. I find all their customer service hugely to be desired. Notice that while they may be paid shills, whenever posters praise rentals agents, it tends to be Hiro Queso, who doesn't require purchase prices up front for deeds, only charges tier, and seems to be more online to help customers. To be sure, Anshe has added more staff and your chances of finding an "angel" to help in "Dreamland" are greatly improved, but there are still questions that never get answered and problems, often of the unsightly build variety where they can't manage to police their own rules.

    Anshe does not appear to have a scripted system for rentals, and I think she and her staff run themselves ragged as a result -- as I do.

    But why would I want to run myself ragged, manually refunding and re-configuring a box each time someone would like to buy extra prims, which I offer to them for a low price? Because I want to be able to use human intelligence on the system, as much as I can muster at what is often 1:00 a.m. for me. I'd like to eyeball what is happening in the sim, and not have some automatic system doling out prims when, say, the sandbox on my sim might have been overloaded by some asswipe burying 200 weapons each with 200 prims in them (this "fun" teen grid griefing habit seems to be showing up more and more on the adult grid -- or maybe it infected the teens from the adults, not sure).

    I also like to be able to *talk to* the tenants. How are they doing? Do they need land edit on? Is their music working? Maybe they are not happy with their prefab house? etc. *Talking to* these tenants, I find, helps to serve the whole area better because they can often tell me what is happening. For example, if I'm running an automated system, and I see 3 refunds on one sim at once, I could merely let the system run, they refund, they take their money, new ones come etc. Or, I could go out there and see what *made* them refund, which is often some asswipe putting out 500 prims on a 512 with an agreement only for 150, each of which rotates, glows, and spews particles radiating the entire sim.

    I went into this amount of detail because I'm trying to give all the reasons why customized resident scripts are better, and all the additional reasons for not creating automatic rental tools, which are:

    1. Pro-rated refund capacity or discounting may not be easily added without additional UI features and configuring, and the same for adding prims. All that will likely be done is being able to set a weekly price, and click off for or on.

    2. By making it possible to switch on and off entire sims and parcels (someone will just write a script for switching on and off all the parcels on a sim), mass rentals can thrive run by oligarchs who will be most positioned to take advantage of this windfall tool, and it will drive all others out of business. They can hired labour to terraform a sim, plunk out trees by an automatic script, even deliver houses and buildings by automatic script (I've seen how blaze made an insta-city like that), click on "rent me" and then go play World of Warcraft which is more fun than deeding videos and stuff. Heck, why even come inworld *at all*? Just run the whole thing from a third-party website.

    3. Already enjoying a privileged position with LL and already possessing a complex and powerful existing rentals scripted thingie, Adam Zaius and company could well lobby to have their script GOMed or sold or deployed to LL to use on the whole land interface. Then who will answer the question about the trap door that enables them also to collect all the information on their third-party website, which is not bound by the TOS because it is a third-party? (Not me, I'm permabanned from the forums). Indeed, I'm well aware that these are two hypotheticals: 1) whether or not their scripted thingie could be purloined by the Lindens or sold to them to integrate in the client or 2) once that happens, there is then necessarily any further connection whatsoever to secondserver.net -- the Lindens could buy or take their script but close off the trapdoor to its data-collection capacity, I suppose. But it's fine to ask these questions now rather than after it's already done.

    4. Therefore: Land that is run off the Linden tools for rent, just like land that you can sell with the Linden tools (rather than the much more vague "deeded private island land" that you can "sell" also through IMs and ads on your own) is going to be viewed as "safer" and "the better deal". That means that in partnership with oligarchs, LL will be able to deliver "safer communities where You are Governor Linden". Indeed, if they put renting into the client, they may just be inclined to skip fixing the group tools -- who needs them except a few clubs. Therefore, the Linden-created mass template, even with less customization, will put the customized out of business by appearing "safer" as part of the integrated set of tools.

    5. Land owners renting off their own scripted thingies will be come to be seen as "suspect" -- why can't they use the Linden land tools? What, are they ripping people off? A culture of trust has developed where people are willingly paying into the rentos created by Moonshine, Hank, and others, because they have come to see that when they pay their money, they get a rental, it shows up on their transaction history, and unless they violate the rules and don't pay, they can keep the rental. But this culture of trust will be disrupted when once again, the Lindens compete with their own customers and put something into the client to crush local business. And crush local business it does...as we saw with their telehub/p2p debacle.

    6. One advantage to the Lindens putting rentals into the client is that it will "empower the people" (and they'll love that concept) by enabling thousands of people across the grid to stop hunting and struggling for rental scripts, and just parcel off parts of their estates with beach cabanas or Tikis or cabins. Already, many larger properties with mansions, or clubs, or stores, provide little rentals for cheap prices to try to help pay their tier. Some owners provide this for free, as a kind of loss leader to build traffic to their club or other attraction. (They could do this BTW due to the developer incentive US dollars they might expect in return -- that's now ending in March.)

    Of course, the greatest mistake that newbie/singleton landlords make is putting out identical prefabs in rows, thinking that other people will be only too happy to move into such cluttered boxes and live, merely to enable someone else to pay their tier. Originally when I began doing and studying rentals all over the grid, this was my greatest observation, and still is: people do not like to move into cookie cutters. Yet, with the right kind of cookie, the right price, the right location, it sometimes works, so we'll likely see, with some basic set of integrated rental tools, a proliferation of baking trays and cookies all over SL. I suppose that's a good thing. There will be some like Jauani Wu who will scream about Levittown, however.

    In general, giving rental tools for individuals to use will be a good thing -- in theory. There will be many more people who will buy land, make dwellings or stores or clubs, if they can put in vendors or tenants easily and help pay their establishment's tiers. Increasing the sale of land and the stabilization of sims by people who are settlers rather than sandboxers is very good for civilization -- after all, you need civilization to sustain the sandboxers, because if left to their own devices, sandboxes only destroy as they create.

    But most things good in theory don't work in practice. The biggest competitor to that hopeful singleton or mom-and-pop or medium-sized business will be the mass oligarch who will have his Chinese gold farmers plunking out houses and trees across the vaste wastelands of BULKAUCTONLAND, who will simply flip the switch "rent" and go away. And without the flexibility of refunds, prim-adding, and other kinds of features that an agent using his own customized script or notecard system can provide, they will have troubles. Of course, when the covenants come in, the Lindens plan some kind of tool that will pop up a text with rules in it (apparently that's all the covenant is envisioned as, at this point, we're not really hearing anything more elaborate).

    If thousands of people can be empowered to have their own mom-and-pop rentals (and actually the interesting thing that few people realize is that hundreds now practice this form of tier assistance even with crappy tools and no support -- which shows you the potential) -- can that be an important hedge against the oligarchs? Because it's very important to bolster the middle class as a buffer in society between the poor blinging masses, the radical sandboxing tekkie wikinista, and the oligarchic BulkAuctionBidders and private island queens and kings. Often, when the Lindens code in YouRule it turns out to be TheyRule because it turns out only a fraction of people have time and resources to do the YouRule stuff.

    This remains to be seen, so I could only look at their coding "rent" into the tools with the greatest apprehension, like I have been forced to now view any Linden change with a mixture of narrow-eyed suspicion and then shock and awe.

    If the Lindens added a feature to put your own parcel on a public auction, that could increase freedom, liquidity, and the better development of the middle class too -- and thus give those using these putative in-client rental tools an even break and an equal opportunity.

    People like me who continue to offer larger lists of rentals, not just a handful in one establishment, or have themed communities in some sims, like Asian or Future or Tiki or Beach or whatever, will not necessarily be put out of business if they have only the mom-and-pops to compete with, because they will be able to offer more choice, more features, things like free prefabs, or whatever. But they already face fierce competition from private island and bulkmainland rentals and giving those oligarchs the "rent me" tool will kill them off for good. I'll bet you're not thinking of that, Khamon. Or maybe you are...

    Rental tools and even only the mildly reformed group tools might not put someone like me out of business. But because they are likely to, I'm going to be fighting this concept tooth and nail. It's fine to fight for one's class interests, just like the other classes on the left (sandboxing tekkies) and right (oligarchs and land barons) do. Like they do, I'm going to cloak my struggle as being Good for the Community, too, because I believe it really is. I think small and medium businesses are good to promote, and customization is better provided by residents than Lindens.

    What I hate about the way these discussions go on the forums is that nobody ever asks "Is it really a good idea to have rentals be a function on the client?" or "Can the Lindens really code all the good features you would need in a function like that, and avoid the bad?" or "Is having land able to rent everywhere something that individuals and small businesses can be making use of profitably and equitably, or will it just be gamed out by the oligarchs and the griefers?" etc.

    Instead, they just cut to the narrow-minded and narrow-focused discussion of the technical aspects of doing it. There is no context or wider picture. So now people are asking whether it can or should refund. We already have perfectly could resident-created scripts that refund rent to people on a basic pro-rated basis, with a customizable refund fee of $0 or more.

    But I'm sure not a single one of the people having this discussion, including the original poster, have ever worked within a rentals group and a system of rentals, with these scripts, and studied their pluses and minuses, and thought about what it would be like to just leave this realm to the residents, instead of once again, grabbing a sector and stuffing it into the client -- to benefit the few, especially those who are programmers, and already close to the creators of the client.

    Group Tools Yet Again

    I can see that both Lindens and tekkie-wikinistas and other assorted idealists are not going to be able to do something rather simple with the group tools reform (like merely shut off the permission set that enables the entire class of officers to always be able to sell land, in favour of a system to only enable individual officers to sell land, or create *a separate sub-class of non-selling officers*).

    This is really the main task at hand, IMHO, and the Lindens also said in these group meetings this week that the hole in the tools making land theft possible was in part what drove them toward reform.

    But they are still reaching for social-engineering, and thereby socialist, solutions when they think about things like "let's have all the people donating their land parcels to the group merely associate their land to the group, or deed it, but be able to pull it back any time themselves," or -- as Pham Neutra is suggesting -- have a vote weighted by tier.

    And of course a small minority of residents, fearful that their existing hippie-commune tools will be snatched, are still saying stuff like Lusk's Michi Lumin in Group 4: "

    Michi Lumin: yes... Some things worry me since, it seems -many- people use groups as a "boss, underlings, rank" situation, and not in an "all are equal" situation.... so i'd like to make sure that option doesn't go away

    I wouldn't commission and maintain any large build across 10 parcels of something called "associated land" run by 10 separate people, any of whom could pull out their parcel and tier at any time...would you? Only if you were in...oh...Lusk...or you and your girlfriend were the only ones to worry about collaborating.

    See, you could only do it if you were in some tightly bound, tribal, fiercely loyal grouplet called "Lusk" or "Boardman" either really run by Ingrid, or really run by that "collective" that the newfangled think is "better" or "more intelligent" and which might really be that rare occurrence of a functioning, non-destructive collective -- but that's NEVER a reason to spread it to the rest of us!

    In other words, to my horror, I can see the Lindens and the tekkies lurching towards a techsol that went about fixing the first hole by merely spreading it to create 100 separate holes of the same sort.

    The problem is summed up in Group 3, by me saying the following:

    Prokofy Neva: Now I would like to ask about one very major issue
    Prokofy Neva: There's a hole in the group tools through which you can drive a Mack truck as you know.
    Prokofy Neva: And that is that anyone investing in land, and paying the tier on it, can lose it by a treacherous officer.
    Prokofy Neva: So until we can hear your solution for that gaping wound in this system
    Prokofy Neva: it's hard to really react to anything else

    Robin Linden: Yes. That loophole is a primary motivator behind the changes we're implementing
    Prokofy Neva: What we keep hearing
    Prokofy Neva: is all this stuff about voting and granularity
    Prokofy Neva: but if you keep subjecting a person's investment to a "vote"
    Prokofy Neva: you paralize the group
    Robin Linden: I don't think I said anything about voting.
    Robin Linden: We're not planning to change the voting system.
    Prokofy Neva: I'm talking about various resident proposals made, and it's hard to know, if they will get a hearing or not

    Prokofy Neva: Everything depends on your concept, Robin.
    Prokofy Neva: Is the concept to change the tools
    Prokofy Neva: so that they offer the CHOICE of the hippie commune in San Francisco that even Daniel talked about yesterday?
    Prokofy Neva: or something that can protect the rights of an entrepreneur?
    Jeska Linden: The concept is to improve the group tools for all.
    Prokofy Neva: with hierarchival relationships that are the norm in a business.

    Daniel Linden: Prokofy, the improvements to granting permissions in Groups would allow you to, say, give someone the ability to manage land, but not sell it.

    Whereas Justice Soothsayer puts that very same problem this way, responding to Daniel's request to describe the greatest pain in the groups: "Group officers can take land away from the group w/out group permission."

    See the difference? I want to fix the pain of one person spending money on land and tier, and having someone he trusted to either work on the land doing builds, or paying part of the tier, or paying even part of the purchase price, go and pull out tier, steal land and sell it, force a land sale, or delete a group building (that last bit will probably never be possible to fix, but it should be thought about).

    The pain of people who have experienced treacherous officers who sell land out from under an investment founder, and out from under a group, is major -- and a huge break on group formation and businesses.

    But people who have not experienced this pain merely want to conceptualize in the abstract with social ideas and have some putative notion of "the group" needing to give "permission" to that officer to sell.

    They want to stop what they imagine is an abstract "pain" of evil "bosses" who "exploit teh ppl". But like a lot of abstract pains in this world, they are hard-put to find any real examples of this drama.

    So -- Hell, no. I don't want the entire group in a group land project to be giving permission to a founder or officer every time they need to sell -- or even just move through a $0 sale -- a piece of land they paid for. No thanks.

    And frankly, even the communists who want everything equal don't want to be running back to a nominal founder every time the group does something -- but we need to figure out how to make this a CHOICE and not a COERCION the way it is in the current toolset.

    CHOICE NOT COERCION.

    And that's the problem. People keep coming at this with abstract and utopian conceptions that have no reality in the real use of tools in the real virtual world we have.

    Daniel Linden says, "the improvements to granting permissions in Groups would allow you to, say, give someone the ability to manage land, but not sell it." But who is the "you"? Me as the founder and investor sustaining group rentals? Or me as a nominal founder who will create an equal class of officers? And HOW will this be done? By me and me alone toggling yes/no? Or the group who will be voting on this? And will there be CHOICE? Sorry if it becomes tiresome to many that I keep hammering on this, but frankly, until it drops down as a game patch on my hard drive and works, I can only retain the utmost skepticism about it.

    And sorry, Khamon, I know you're likely to howl terribly at my remarks, but until you can explain to me why YOU, who does not rentals, has no interest in doing rentals, are going after the group tools to add RENT to them. Why are you doing this? I cannot understand what your motivation is. To influence game devs? To take on big grid-wide-affecting changes? To rent out a house in Brown to help cover your own personal tier? To enhance the work of Slate, where the tier is paid by one person? What's really driving this?

    Oh, to be sure, I realize there are a few socialist enclaves and tekkie wikis that wish to have 10 wise men and women all put their 512s in, and on the resulting 5120 parcel, build ah...uh..how about a Giant Tree? Or a Giant Widget? Or Twisty Scripty Thingie?  Any or all of these things would be Fun. And would be Creative. And who cases if somebody pulls out, it's just a sandbox, just an experiment, and you always erase stuff on your Etch-a-Sketch, geez, who tries to preserve an Etch-A-Sketch? Like the man says on the can: Land is your blank canvas! AND you don't need land to have fun! So pull it out any time!

    And there are people who will say things like Michi Lumin: Because one concern I'd have is if it was going forced hierarchical, that'll be bad for our group, at least. That is, nobody has proposed that it be forced hierarchical. I've urged choice. The Lindens appear to be coding choice we HOPE. But we're not getting a clear answer on this. I'm still concerned that in caving to the kind of concern that Michi expresses, which is legitimate, they will nerf the tools to fit what they see as an important lobby in tune with their own social engineering ideals.

    They're also confusing a tree of decisions with what they view as an evil boss/underlings "hierarchy" when it really has to be looked at as a system of RESPONSIBILITY. THE PERSON WHO HAS TAKEN ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF PAYING A PURCHASE PRICE AND MAINTAINING THE TIER.

    Daniel answer this with things like "The key word is 'flexibility'". But he doesn't say, "No, there won't be a hierarchy unless you want one." or "No, there won't be a commune unless you want one."

    Why, even if Daniel put a blimp over my land in SL and said "YES, PROKOFY, YOU WILL HAVE CHOICE IN THE GROUP TOOLS" I will not believe they are coming and will work? Because...Note that out of the three priorities set by the Lindens, they are going to do communications first, and transferring of group objects (a bad idea IMHO because they don't realize how buggy this already is, and it's just to favour group builds on the socialist or oligarchic principle anyway) -- and fixing the roles of officers/permissions only third. That could mean it is a LONG way off.

    Robin Linden: Third: and this is the biggest one
    Robin Linden: Allow founders to define roles and assign permissions to those roles from a list of many different actions
    Khamon Fate: question there
    MarkTwain White: ok you win, i will stay in SL
    MarkTwain White: good changes
    Robin Linden: So maximum flexibility in structuring the group and assigning capabilities to the people in the group down to the individual level
    Robin Linden: What's that Khamon?

    Michi Lumin: ok; yes, i'd like clarification on that as well. Are these going to be predefined roles, and, will a founder be able to specify 'near-founder' rights?
    Michi Lumin: In other words, What capabilities are reserved ONLY for the founder, and will the definitions be fluid.
    Daniel Linden: Michi -- not predefined.
    Daniel Linden: Assign as many or as few rights as you choose.

    eltee Statosky: can the right to assign rights, be assigned?
    Robin Linden: We don't have the UI design yet, but imagine a list of 30+ functions. Things like name land, make a payment,
    Daniel Linden: We don't have that level of detail as yet, Eltee.

    Once again, let me point out, the favoured model of both FIC and Lindens, is being fronted: Lusk (though why the socialist commune of 4 people or even 20 people like Nberg has to be imposed on the entire grid is beyond me).

    Michi Lumin: Basically we have a situation here; at least in Luskwood, we have the four 'luskwood founders' and work on an egalitarian basis; we all have the same rights -- even though Eltee is 'technically' founder of the group, in binary code.

    This situation "at least in Luskwood" is...well..only in Luskwood and a handful of other places. Whatever its beauty, merits, awesomeness, etc. etc. it is not the norm. It can't be the template for all people. While changes must be able to enable the CHOICE of a Lusk, it can't IMPOSE a Lusk with tools.

    Luskites would like to imagine that "all those other people" who want a different kind of hierarchical tool are somehow evil land barons who exploit people (eltee was rambling on quite a bit about corruption and fraud and exploitation in the land business, without, of course, citing any actual cases.) Evil land barons...Except, better *responsibility-protecting* group land tools are wanted by...ordinary people with homes...couples...individuals with estates...groups renting as tenants from landlords...groups in projects that are more about stabilization of society with homes and stores and businesses...and they don't want to be in a situation where at any time, they will wake up and not only will there be giant holes in their mall/build/homes/community, those holes can fill with something completely different than what they expect.

    I fear the Lindens aren't thinking of this in terms of *the reality of what is on the grid*. They are thinking of this in terms of social engineering and making people do what they want them to do, which is to Be Empowered to Effect Change to Make a Better World. We don't know the content of that Better World, and might never know it, until it bites us in the ass -- hard! But no matter! The main thing is to Be Empowered by Those Who Can Confer power and Effect Chage!

    What is on the grid, in terms of group land? Individuals, mom-and-pop stores, and large sales or rentals groups run by one or two individuals for the benefit of the community. What is not on the grid? Lusk, except for socialism-in-one-sim. So please, let's leave aside all the hatred of land barons and the resmodded forums sniping to remember just what it is that Hiro or Anshe or littler guys like me *do*: we provide land and homes for people in this game. The Lindens could have done that, of course, had they made SL like TSO and rolled out land like shelf paper at $5/meter always and everywhere, but they didn't, they put it on the auction to buy. So here we all are.

    So what do the Lindens need to concentrate on? Making it possible to have a class of officers who DO NOT SELL LAND BUT RETURN PRIMS. Very simple. The concept of reform, the driving engine of reform, must be from the perspective of the Group Founder who drives the engine of the group -- not the rank-and-file members of the group who come and go and whom the Lindens appear to endlessly want to reward -- either with the power to steal land, or the power to anonymously call "elections" to remove a man from the land he paid for. This socialist-revolution-by-tools has got to stop, it's stupid and destructive.

    How can it stop? By viewing this entire thing through the lens of how to create founders' rights to make a CHOICE of EITHER making all equal to him OR NOT.

    If this is not technically possible, then I can only go back to what a Linden once explained to me matter-of-factly -- that it was easier to code the king than the hippie commune, so there's something "up" here. Why can't they code the king? Then choice between king and commune?

    I've been asking any Linden whose coat sleeve I can tug these days, "When are you going to take down the mainland?"

    Usually there is a long silence. I suspect that silence contains within in it their knowledge -- which they can't tell me -- that they will either 1) take down the mainland or spin it off to private islands or bulkauction trades or 2) sell the software to a bigger company, and maybe only keep the educational or experimental part; 3) or reluctantly admit that they actually  might have to do a pour-off for technical reasons -- the thing is just getting too big, and the way it is all strung together with Scotch tape and paperclips and somebody's 4th grade science project and a can of Coke on top is just going to break at some point.

    (I have to admit that not knowing what a server farm actually looks like, whenever I conjure up the Linden grid thingie in my mind, I can only fill in with a scene I once saw in RL -- the accelerator at CERN which you see by descending way into the ground -- with a seemingly partly fused can of Coke sitting on one of its labrynthine structures).

    Then after this long silence, they will say something like what Daniel said at our group meeting,

    Prokofy Neva: When will you be taking this mainland where we're sitting offline, Daniel?
    Prokofy Neva: crickets
    Dianne Mechanique: crickets?

    Daniel Linden: The mainland is, in effect, a very large Estate managed by Linden Lab. It's huge and compelling and it's not going anywhere.
    Prokofy Neva: well but how can you keep it when it will have a chicken pox of unsold or abandonded land all over it?
    Daniel Linden: It's going to continue to grow, and I very much doubt that any 'private' estate will surpass it anytime soon.

    Prokofy Neva: You'll probably end up having to lop off some of the most burnt out cases and maybe offer trades?
    Dianne Mechanique: it will be a lawless jungle
    Dianne Mechanique: and thus interesting to some :)
    Dianne Mechanique: hehe
    Prokofy Neva: No, my property on it won't be a lawless jungle.

    Dianne Mechanique: sorry
    Dianne Mechanique: i was assuming you would split off
    Prokofy Neva: Nor will my neighbour's properties either for the most part.
    Prokofy Neva: No
    Dianne Mechanique: no offence Prok
    Dianne Mechanique: my vision only
    Prokofy Neva: Nope, I'm going to stay on the mainland until they take it down, which I imagine they'll be forced to do.

    January 25, 2006

    The Group Tools Again

    With the website down, I can't access the relevant transcript of the Group meeting yesterday -- but I read it, and I also talked to Jeska directly. And frankly, I'm worried, and I think anyone who cares about fixing the group tools will be worried, too.

    What's happened is that some of us asked to be part of the community feedback on the development of the group tools. We asked the Lindens to open up this process, to hold public meetings, but not of the town hall type (although there will always be a role for those) with their push-media, and Kabuki-theater questions and therefore, of necessity, often riotious interventions, but some kind of panel format where people get to speak in coherent paragraphs about our *actual experience* with group tools and our proposals based on *considerable field-testing, not abstractions*. I figured they already had plenty of time in the IRC channel or whatever to hear from all those pushing elegant but abstract and complex tekkie solutions; I wanted to make sure they heard from those who actually eat this dog food day in and day out, those actually using tools.

    Bark, bark!

    What we got back, however, is something that twists and morphs this whole problem of the Group  Tools and their consequences into something else. What we got back is not a discussion of Group Tools and Their Reform -- that already is underway, and basically a fait accompli (or a fete accompli). In fact, in the usual Game Dev MMORPG Culture fashion, the Game Devs are doling out as little information about it as possible, because 1) they are mindful of competitors in their cut-throat game dev world and 2) they are mindful that the masses just burn through content or don't understand content in the way they wish them to, and they don't want them "in the way" and 3) given 1) and 2), they are ready with bromides like "We are going to give residents tools to empower them to change the world".

    You always have to worry about people who tell you they will be "empowering" you. That means they have the power they are "magnanimously" granting you. And you don't : ) So, keep your eye on the ball here : )

    Now, what is it they are doing then, intead of having a convo about Group Tools? They are having an open discussion about Covenants and Zoning. Go look at the title of the thread Jeska made in "Feature Suggestions". What are covenants? Well, who the hell knows? It's again, some hippie notion out of somebody's cocktail convo in Cali, or whatever, it's taken maybe from RL covenanting in real estate, or whatever, but we cannot understand how subjective decision-making, with local realities ever changing, is going to be codified into some rote mechanism concocted out of tools. Maybe they'll pull that off, but the more relevant question is: what are the group tools we'll have to be working with, such as to understand what we can do with covenants?

    Of course, there were no shortage of WOOTing and drooling fanboyz at this meeting yesterday -- a pity, because they neither have what they think they are WOOTing about *yet* and what they are WOOTING about is not something necessarily we'll all WOOT about.

    Let's take somebody who is, say, a professor in a college, with a group of students. He loves SL. But it costs too much damn money. The land especially is a killer. The subscriptions, even if you factor in the free basics, are too much money if you want to own land. He imagines if only he had this software, and only had his own university's server power, he could probably bring down the cost of the "land" or server space, and probably fix up a lot of the annoyances in the thing like prim bounce or whatever set of annoyances particularly get his goat. Anyway, that's how I imagine his imagining, as a non-tekkie, and of course I factor in that for any tekkies, just having their hands on the cookbook and its recipes is going to be endless joy of cookie-baking for hours. So everything that sounds like "My Own Server" where I can especially delete sexscorts, Tringo, and bling lag, seems all to the good for a university.

    Except...we're not all universities and not everybody wants just My Own Sandbox, they don't mind there being a public gathering place where people come in and sort themselves out because they may have a business serving the public at large with its blingtards, and not the self-selected, government-funded project of students in a university. All of these projects are valid; they require different organizational models, however.

    LL has a historic opportunity. They can remain a game company, and behave like game devs and dole out info and not reveal their hand on this group tools thing. Or they can treat their customers, especially those who pay tens of thousands of RL US dollars to them as partners, as equals, or at least as junior partners deserving of respect, and possibly citizens of a joint "country" that all are hoping to generate from this grid, and listen to what they want out of these tools, such as to make them more productive, ultimately enhancing the whole world.

    Yeah, yeah, I know it's "not a country" and that's "just something Philip says" and it's "just a game" and sure, I know it, because gosh, what isn't like a game about buying a piece of land that devalues to half its cost even wholesale because of griefing, lagging, and land gluts from the Lindens themselves lol? I got the game part, trust me, and the game is really more like "Russian roulette" than anything else ROFL.

    But, let's take them at face value. Why not? They want to make a Metaverse; so do we. We don't want it to be crappy -- they don't either. They know they have to get rid of the hippie dope-smoking stuff -- Dan Linden even very graciously said in the meeting yesterday something like "We know you want choice, and you don't all want the hippie tools we have here in San Francisco."

    So there's only one thing I want from Dan or his bosses then at the moment: I want him to come clean on his model for the group tools reform. Does it protect the founder's right to control the entire configuration, delegating but retaining authority? Or is he going to cave to a small but determined minority of socialists, communards, anarchists, and sandboxing FIC and SIC, and have endlessly votable, endlessly changeable functions that will submit even a founder who paid money and tier to some kind of collective whim down the road. That's pretty big. We need a clear answer on that. Yes/no. On/Off. Not mindless blather like, "We will make the tools to empower residents to effect change" or "We want you to have choice". But yes/no, on/off.

    Yes/No. On/Off. Does the founder of the group have the right to set it up the way he wants, with his vision and investment, with the set of hiearchical rules that he delegates to others either at his level, or in a hierarchical tree beneath him, or is there going to be more of the endless hippie groupthink stuff ONLY, out of which our founder wishing to make a normal company will once again have to fight "democratic votes" or "endless toggling permissions" for land or objects just to get a job done?

    Yes or no? This is so basic that I will not take anything but yes or no for an answer.

    And I realize why they can't say yes or no. They can't because they're afraid that this "collective wisdom" mob is going to scream MORE at them that they've caved to land barons or worse -- pyramid schemers, operators, tyrants, evil quantities or one sort or another.

    Honestly, I get why they are keeping this one close, and foot-dragging, and probably arguing among themselves. It's pretty historic stuff, and nothing less than the groundwork for the whole virtual world.

    But too bad. They have to bite the bullet and look at what their hippie tools have wrought: the Mainland. Those valiantly trying to work Mainland 2.0 or Mainland 3.0 are still doing it with stupid Group Tools 1.0 *inspite* of Lindens, not because of them. I suppose the only thing the Lindens did to help them was a) start bulk auctions to make these things cost only $1000 so that land barons have a free whack at sims without being bid out of their margins by wannabees and b) generously buy back dead telehub land.  I don't thing either of a) or b) was done properly and fairly, but who cares what I think? It's a done deal, and the reality is, the purchasers of the BulkAuction sims are probably going to make it look bettert than the Purina and Lazland that we have out on the Mainland 1.0.

    Look at the damn mainland. Realize that the hippie commie dope-smoking stuff failed, and let it go -- except for those willing to pay for it, on their own sim, with tools that they can configure out of the basic set to do that thing if they want.

    But don't impose it on the society at large. It didn't work in Poland or Chile or South Africa back in the day. It can't work here.

    Not knowing if Tiger Crossing has read his blog contributions in the queue to moderate yet, I submit my response to his blog, which follows on on his group tool suggestions.

    http://www.tigercrossing.com/blog/

    Prokofy Neva Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    January 24th, 2006 at 11:40 pm
    Tiger, all of this has been pretty much absorbed already by all of us concerned about group tools reform. We all “get it” that the permissions have to be granularized, and made more flexible. We’ve been saying this for months, before you tuned in. In fact months and months ago, on the forums, I had a post, “The Groups *Are* The Government” in which I pointed out that there were at least 24 functions in the groups which should merely be toggled in an endlessly customizable way, to create new clusters of functions, rather than to have the static roles like “officer” that can always do X and Y and Z, but since Z is selling my land out from under me, I don’t have staff.

    Studying this quite a bit more, we came up with 35 (or you could make 40, depending on how you characterize all the functions when you interact with the “about land” menu). Ok, we all got that. Granularity. Flexibility. Customization. Perhaps not all 35 or 40 or whatever should be endlessly toggled; perhaps there are some clusters that always must go together (i.e. why give someone the right to set the music stream but not deed the video or run the media menu, etc.; separate functions, yet they could cluster together.)

    All this is clear, and everybody gets it. But…Knowing there is a tiny but very articulate, and very entrenched, and very close (or seeking proximity) to the Lindens minority that is leftist and socialist (often inchoately so), I even magnanimously say, ok, you want to keep these San Francisco Summer of Love hippie dope-smoking tools that spread all the wealth equally and make it possible to Steal This Land? OK, keep them…or make them even more hippie, I don’t care, just let me have the same flexibility NOT to have a man separated from his land after he has paid the purchase price. Let me live in the Winter of Hate if I must…

    But here’s where the difficulty comes in. There’s quite a lobby now on the forums, and you appear to be among them, that flies the flag of “Power to the People” and “granularity” but in fact could be imposing a heavy burden of paralysis and rigidity by making too much endless choice a constant.

    How could this be? By subjecting every damn thing to a vote, always and everywhere. I don’t want to have each function be voted on by every damn member in the group always and everywhere. People nowadays are so conditioned to nod sagely about “the wisdom of crowds” that they forget that clumps of people are often pretty dumb when left to endlessly keep fussing over something. That isn’t about “tyranny” and “being a dictator” it’s about managing a group with a very limited and distinct purpose, i.e. rentals. I don’t want three-hour meetings with everyone who happens to put in 512 tier for a $250 discount off their rental, with votes using that 512 tiny bit of tier each time a decision has to made — do we buy this water that has suddenly appeared in the middle of the night in a parcel formerly owned by a seemingly stable large neighbour, now chopped to smithereens by Anshe Chung, or not?

    Pham Neutra sounds as if he is proposing to make voting like that — and that’s a good reason why third parties never get started in the US, and on the left in particular, whatever success they might have (and it’s not been so great lately!) in other countries.

    So, to summarize, I have the following concerns about your proposals

    1. Have you read anything that I and others have already been writing on groups — for months? Go to my blog at http://secondthoughts.typepad.com A good summary is “What if the Pizza Guy Stole LL?” in which I point out that our Lindens don’t eat their dog food and don’t live in these groups (of course some assure me that indeed they do, but by that, they mean a group to organize an event or the mentors or something, not the kind of businesses and land groups we are talking about).

    2. Do you yourself have a land group or participate in a land group or a group selling group objects or working on a group build where there are sales? Looking at your groups, I hate to say it, but it really seems as if you *do not know what you are talking about in practical terms*. I’m sorry if this seems blunt, but I’m known for bluntness anyway, and frankly, there is too much at stake here to have the group tools just become another playground not only for these hippies in San Francisco, but the hippies here in SL. You have groups for talking about this or that, groups for being a tenant in a mall, groups for previewing or hanging out with friends or goofing around and experimenting with stuff like time.

    But you do not have *groups for MANAGEMENT OF people, land, objects, events, rentals, etc.* such as some of us have who feel a great stake in this.

    3. WHAT is your goal in becoming involved in this now (at a relatively late stage, when the Lindens pretty much sound like they’ve got it doped out already). Is it a cool tekkie thing to be doing, an interesting experiment for you? Or do you yourself have something specific you want to accomplish in groups that you are actually in?

    I suspect the answer to no. 1 is that no, you do not have any land group, or at least not one with very many people in it and complex problems. Hence, the overly complex, impractical, programmy, tekkie-wiki feel to everything you are saying. Again, sorry for putting it that way, but if you are going to use your stature as a smart, older, player with connections, and the Lindens are going to listen to you, we simply have to interject: you do not have experience in DOING the things that we want these tools to DO.

    If you DO have experience, by all means, bring it forward, and if you do NOT, plese take a deep breath and ask yourself: why aren’t you asking others who actually do this to tell you the problems with the group tools, instead of just abstract fixing them on your own?

    For example, I have spent a year struggling with these tools, and tried every conceivable hack, workaround, firewall, concentric formation, cutaway, and to get them to work. I have a dozen land groups, with hundreds of people in them. I’m not a rich person, but I’m obviously a busy person. I’m not an evil land baron, I’m just a middle-level rentals agent who has ideals like even some of the hippie communists about making communities better. But I refuse to be separated from my money and land by people who don’t pay time, talent, or treasure for it, it’s just that simple.

    What I’d like you to do, is to stop futzing around with all these complex trees and hierchies and decision making and endlessly permutations of permissions and think about this:

    A) How can we fill the gaping hole in the tools now that enable any officer to sell land out from any other officer, regardless of whether he paid the up-front purchase price, or pays tier? This has to be airtight. This has to be not a vote, but a yes/no, stop/go switch.

    B) Whatever your need for all those buzzy “collective intelligence” type “People’s Power” groups, how can we prevent rank-and-file members of business groups from completely paralyzing a management group that is set up to accomplish a few limited functions, i.e. rent land, return prims? Again, yes/no, stop/go, not a vote. Vote on it if you want if you chose “yes” but let anyone who wants to get work done chose “no”.

    The tools absolutely must remain flexible. I don’t believe from what Daniel Linden is saying that there needs to be any compromise on this. But I do think those still rooting for collectivism and collective control over founders or founders-plus-trusted-few need to take a giant step back and ask themselves, as I keep asking:

    Where are the groups that are run by collectives, with equal input and output of resources? Ok, yes, we thought of Neultenberg. Next? Oh, Lusk or something? Ok…could you think extra hard and come up with some FRESH and DIVERSE examples? Well…there aren’t any! Because it’s a utopian ideal. So let’s stop nerfing the tools around these silly ideals and look at what people really do in this world, and how to make the tools serve them, instead of having the programmers set up unwieldly, unnecessary, and even destructive tools for the sake of their own abstract elegant solutions.

    January 22, 2006

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    January 21, 2006

    Headlines
    o  61 Sims Sold In Last Week: Record Bulk Auction Sales
    o  Linden Still Falling; $3.50 US/1000 LL
    o  Linden Expert Studying LL$ Drop; May Meet to Discuss Action

    Coming Soon
    o Group Tools Focus Groups Start Jan. 23

    Weather

    o Scattered Grey Squares, Slow Clothes Downloads

    o LinDEX:  L$275 / US$1.00 6 L$726,301

    o  Post of the Day:  "Help, I've Fallen And I Can't Get Up!" On the Linden Drop
    http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=83178

    o New Product of the Day:  http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=83386
    New Taxi by Cubey Terra

    o Site of the Day:  Andy Warhol Foundation, Come See Campbell's Soup in SL!
    ‚ Porcupine, 240, 94, 142

    o Tip of the Day:  Click on the Sim and parcel name at the top of your screen to get access to the "about land" menu without having to hunt around by buildings to find a spot to  right-click on land

    Resident of the Day:  Nicodemus Oddfellow, for having a "Lawn" Sale rather than a "Yard" sale and selling a jacuzzi

    Linden of the Day:  Governor Linden, for his tireless support of tree planting and presence in resident groups like Azure Island and Democracy Island.

    Land Sale Tip of the Day: PG Chaska 232, 241, 96 7664 m2, $38,000

    Blog Post of the Day

    o "The Attention Economy" by Michael Goldhaber. Good analysis of Web economy relevant to SL.
    http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue2_4/goldhaber/index.html

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    January 21, 2006

    Some Astute Observations

    Jake, and all the other fans, please note veiled attack no. 99, with my rebuttals : )

    I'm taking out the picture links, they don't work.

    Aimee Weber's Post:


    There are a few things I've noticed in Second Life, and I don't like them one bit. So I would like to take this moment to make some astute observations and comparisons.

    1. Disguising users with diciplinary problems as ordinary residents. The Lindens CURRENTLY have a policy of disguising users with significant diciplinary problems such that they look just like YOU or ME! You could be standing next to a virtual sociopath RIGHT NOW and you wouldn't even know it.

    I'm sure I don't have to tell you folks that this situation is identical to the Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

    This is an effort to promote the coloured tags again, from another angle. The idea is to imply that someone who is, say, permanently banned from the forums, is a second-class system, a person whose rights should be denied, a person who cannot participate as a full-fledged citizen of the world, without being identified in some way so they can be opened up to further harassment. This sort of thing is really evil, and yes, like having shaved heads, scarlet letters or tatoos on foreheads or arms. Absolutely. It's especially evil because of the arbitrariness and injustice that goes into so many disciplinary actions for all kinds of reasons.

    2. The shunning of Invect Hasp. I oppose shunning of users from groups on the basis of their political affiliation. I find this injustice comparable to the handywork of the Flying Monkeys in Wizard of Oz.

    This is a scarcely-veiled attack on me for doing something which is normal, free, and my right -- ejecting someone from a group which I founded for a specific purpose. That's not shunning, that's freedom of choice. After all, I haven't prevailed, silently and tacitly, over a mass shunning of him on the forums, hmmm? Like some I know. In fact, what happened is that I formed an invitation-only group, and in fact INVITED Invect Hasp into the group, how do you like that lol. And when I saw his profile, and also got some feedback from others in the group, I ejected him. End of story.

    I don't have to justify or discuss this. It's how the tools are set up, and it is perfectly legitimate. I made the group Group Tools in order to discuss how to reform the group tools -- but with likeminded persons, who may not agree about many things, and may wind up making very different groups, but who at least agree that the group tools MUST protect a person's land purchase and MUST give the founder to chose what kind of system he wants -- all rules set by him, or rules and functions he shares with others.

    Not knowing Invect Hasp at all, noting only a few of his forums posts which seemed interesting, when sending out dozens of invitations trying to make the group up, I sent him one. Several people then later explained to me that this was unwise for a number of reasons. There is no way to recall an invitation. He joined the group. I saw furthermore on his profile, something that wasn't there before or I didn't notice:

    Please join the  Socialist Anarchist Party!

    We seek to overthrow capitalism and abolish all government, to seek and to achieve an era of equality, peace, liberty, and justice.

    I'll pay $20 lindens to any people who are in the group when I get home from work Nov. 2 evening.

    Well, I'm not *required* to have in a group which I and others are trying to establish in fact to *protect* capitalism -- our businesses and our investments -- a guy who distinctly opposes this effort and says he wishes to overthrow it : ) -- and who also appears to *pay people* to be in his socialist party ROFL.

    That's not "shunning," it's just not chosing to work with someone in a group. The idea that groups must always be always open to all comers, even to face their own endless debate and their own destruction is one of those peculiaries of the hard left that often finds favour in SL. But being a moderate myself, I refuse to be bullied in such a fashion. People of like mind have the right to get together, and aren't *required* to put everybody in their group. This is done all the time by all kinds of people, whether Midnight City, which choses to ban some people from their land, or the IRC Channel, which bans people, and many other groups.

    Invect Hasp isn't barred from joining any one of a my many discussion groups or rental groups, if he wishes to promote his views or rent something. He isn't "shunned on the basis of political affiliation". He's just not *worked with* in an invitation-only group on the basis of his political affiliation which I view as antithetical to mine, and for the purposes of trying to reform these tools AWAY from this awful socialist cast they already have, I chose not to face endless confrontation, bickering, and harassment for my beliefs in my own group.

    I wrote Invect that if he'd like to work on group tools reform, he should form his own group. It's normal to have lots of groups on an important subject like that. This is what I once said to Lordfly. Even Lenin, the darling of the left, said "Before associating, you must first disassociate." I profoundly disassociate myself from the hard left, the violent left, and the socialist left that sees its task as "overthrowing" things like my little business in this game. Hell, no, I won't go : )

    Like Dr. Zhivago's father once famously said, "I'm a member of the People, too."

    I think it's very important to be dramatic, even cartoonish on this matter of socialism. It's because many people of the socialist persuasion always try to portray themselves as "the normal people" or "in the mainstream" or "what the people want" which is the fakest thing in the book. They love to tinkle with laughter in a smug and superior way and make it seem that you are hopelessly McCarthian and backward and red-neck just because you don't um...want to overthrow capitalism, distribute everything forcibly, or adhere to other Leninist norms.

    The socialists already own the group tools of SL. It's their beliefs that prevailed when they were first made. They already wish to reform them to make sure nothing else can be done with them, and to try to wrest land away from people they view as rich, evil, land barons.  Why should I be assisting that effort? Let them form their own groups and promote their own concepts, that's what politics and interest groups are all about.

    Aimee is just trying to be provocative, try to find something to trip me up trying to find something to club me with, to prove me a hypocrite, to go out behind the gym, when she smokes cigarettes, and find something to gossip about before the teacher rings the recess bell. That's all : )

    3. The Lawless Trial against Impeach Bush Guy. I don't like his signs any more than you guys. But the mob mentality crying out for his conviction when he didn't break any specific rules is EXACTLY like the murder of Bambi's mom.

    Um, another slam not only against me, but many people who have been tirelessly posting and fighting this issue. We in fact have pointed out 3 very specific TOS and CS violations at stake here. Aimee doesn't see it that way. She keeps claiming we're clamouring for Linden discretionary power, of the kind *she'd* like them to use to discretionarily get rid of me forever : )

    But we're not. We're asking them to enforce their existing TOS on disturbance of the peace, spam, and interference of the enjoyment of SL. Anshe signs flat on the ground don't meet that test. Even somebody's "creative purple spinning thing" that the sandboxers wish to protect.

    Furthermore, there's no "lawless trial" here.  There are people legitimately expressing their opinions, on the SL website, at ingame events, in petitions, on blogs. That's not a trial -- but then, Aimee must envision most such free expression as a kangaroo court since that's how she herself runs things : )

    4. Resident Forum Moderators. Having residents moderate the forums ... what's that you say? YES! CORRECT! It's EXACTLY like the the murder of that Ewok at the hands of Imperial forces during the battle on the forest moon of Endor!

    http://starwarsautographcollecting....ndacaroEwok.jpg

    Making fun of this really evil turn the Lindens are taking doesn't distract from its inherent evil. It's an evil that will benefit Aimee and her pals, so she can afford to appear to be flippant about it.

    5. The Lack of Furry Lindens. This is pretty much like the big hammer things in Pink Floyd The Wall.

    http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/f/fic!pnkf.jpg

    No comment.

    January 19, 2006

    Good Godwin

    Banned If you ever get into a forums fight, and someone advocates really bad ideas that are fascistic in nature, and you call them on it, some smug little busy-body defending the Group Think is sure to come in and self-importantly invoke "Godwin's law".  When the thunderous sound of their back-patting recedes from your ear, if you have never heard of the term, you go to wikipedia.org to see what the fuss is about.

    Time and again, invokers of "Godwin's law" aren't making a good judgement about facile use of Nazi imagery or analogies, but shutting down a debate. (Hamlet Linden Godwined me recently on his blog.) They're shielding the Group-Think from criticism. If anything, we need to talk about "Aimee's Law," which is that "me and my friends get to propose fascistic and authoritarian concepts for SL and use our tremendous influence to get the Lindens to pass them, but can shield ourselves from criticism by invoking Godwin." In many cases on the SL forums, this can be seen in spades.

    Such is the discussion today, where Aimee Weber (why are we not surprised) is proposing that people who have been disciplined in the SL punishment system should have colour-coding for their names, i.e. red for serious offenses like a 14-day ban, yellow for milder offenses like a 3-day ban, and green for a "clean rap sheet" as the Linden managers always briskly describe it. So if you were ever banned from the forums for the imaginary offenses that the FIC and their former-resident Linden friends cook up, you will fly around the world with a red or yellow name over your head like a Scarlet Letter.

    Having a "clean rap sheet" is of course ultra-important if you want to be admitted to the Brahmin of Second Life, the Mentors, Greeters, Helpers, and now the Instructors. In fact, if before, someone who had once been nailed for swearing in PG served 3 days for it, that wouldn't prevent him or her from teaching others important skills. Now it will. The entire self-serving and biased system is part of the atrocious "MMORPG wizard" culture that is inherited in LL and permeates some of their worst decision-making.

    In little petulant Aimee's vindictive world, those griefers "really have to get the book thrown at them". Of course, she'd like to make sure that I went around with my name in Scarlet Letters because that would help continue the bullying and harassment that she and others subjected me to on the forums, and against which I fought valiantly, and for which I was unjustly permabanned.

    Of course, the notion of "double jeopardy" may never have entered the Geek Girl's head -- the idea that you can't be punished twice for the same crime. If you swore in PG, you serve your 3 days, then it is over. In the concept of corrective justice common in the Western democracies, anyway, if you did the crime and did the time, then it's over, and while having a police record, you are considered to have "paid your debt to society".

    It's understood if you were to go around with a tatoo on your forehead saying POOR IMPULSE CONTROL like a character in Snowcrash, that would be adding humiliation and punishment to punishment already served -- it would be unjust.

    The RL analogy isn't "Meagan's law," but would be akin to having every parking scofflaw, let alone kid who boosted hubcaps when he was 16, go around with a tag that enables everyone from store-keepers to movie-theaters even to schools or places of employment to automatically bar them from the premises, no questions asked -- merely fostering more crime in the end.

    The zealous nature for retribution of SL's citziens always leaves one goggling.

    These really bad ideas of branding disciplinary cases first began to circulate this summer in the elite circles of the Community Round Table list serve. I fought valiantly there, too, before being banned improperly and unjustly. There was quite the clamour from people like Cutter Rubio who wanted to "out" all "perps" and have all their names listed in bold on the SL webpage so that we could all ban them from our properties.

    Smug little Preen Queen believes that all perps think they are unjustly punished and all victims think they weren't punished enough. Actually, no. You can have a system where there is a system of punishments. Everyone knows them. When you do those offenses, you suffer the punishment, and people accept it. In fact, that's more or less what we have.

    On the Community Round Table, I was shocked to find how vicious people were in wanting those who grief to be nailed to the wall.

    To understand what goes on in Second Life, you have to get the whole atmosphere. It's like handing out condoms to teens and then thinking they will just put them in a drawer and not experiment with sex. Of course they will. It's natural. In the same way, the Lindens put out these cool videos showing these avatars dressed up to the gills in various combat-style cool outfits, and various mecha warrior or robot style fighting avatars, and show how you can make all these kewl weapons. SL is always trying to pass itself off as a first-person shooter game, though old hands know the physics/FPS etc isn't good enough.

    The Lindens create an option to put your parcel on "unsafe" and encourage shooting in some sandbox areas, and draw heavily on the cultural cues of MMORPEGS and combat, and then expect that these people coming in and examining all these condoms are just going to put them in a drawer and never use them. It's insane. Of course when you make a game, people come and shoot in it. That's what games DO. So then to tell everyone they CAN'T shoot is unkind.

    Yet that's what the Lindens do. A huge percentage of their time is spent chasing shooters and taking away weapons. They could, of course, adopt a no-weapons policy and stop promoting the culture of war and fighting. But they need to keep on the crest of the MMORPG wave and appeal to those demographics so they are vague about just how much shooting you can do in SL.

    Meanwhile, hordes of people coming into SL for more "suburban" reasons of just wanting to couple and household are outraged that they cannot find peace in their homes. All kinds of asstard candidates for the teen grid are shooting up the place!

    Philip Linden's theory that people will find so much freedom for creativity in SL that they will forgot to grief is all wet -- the steep learning curve is one of the reasons for griefing.

    The easiest way to derail a griefer, and one few people really seem willing to use is to LOG OFF. It deprives the griefer of an audience, it lets him know you won't play, and it forces him to move on.  Works better than any security system!

    Most of the time people reach for aggressive security systems that become hugely annoying to their neighbours because they see griefing as a matter of machismo and honour. "If you had someone talk to your lady like that asshole did to mine, you'd shoot him, too," a tenant told me beligerently the other day, and then proceded to accuse me of siding with ineffectual Lindens and griefing asswipes just because I refuse to add aggressive bounce scripts to my property, and hence add to my daily trouble tickets 10 reports of being bounced by security scripts, in order to solve the one report a week of a griefer.

    If ever there is a person who has seen massive amounts of griefers, it's me, dealing with hundreds of customers. And in nine out of ten cases, they are newbies flying around being asswipes, and 9 out of ten cases they don't repeat because they are random. In another five percent, they are mafias role-playing or people who come back to retaliate against you because you yourself have been aggressive. That final five percent are tgeb the hardcore griefers like W-HAT, and you can only assiduously abuse-report them repeatedly and in a chorus, and I find that eventually the Lindens do wind up expelling them especially if PVP is involved.

    Most of the people branded under Aimee's Guilt Matrix, which will be a handy companion tool to her Party Matrix, will be these shooters. And their only crime, in many cases, will be the MMORPG culture itself, which promoted shooting, and believing this MMORPG, that it welcomes shooting as well.

    I heartily oppose the branding system -- it is cruel and unusual punishment and has no place in a just society.

    Many people are wrongly comparing this notion of tags over names to the availability of a police record on a person when they apply for a job.

    Wrongly, because like many RL comparisons, it is made out of the context of a free society -- which we are NOT in, IN SL. In RL, when a person acquires a police record, I can obtain the name of the police officer who arrested him, and track the case through the courts, getting the name of the judge and the court proceedings. I also learn the name of the victims in many cases. I have a context to understand if the punishment was fairly applied. I have a whole system of checks and balances. I wouldn't if I plucked out of that context ONLY the police record. What I'd have, then, is a police state.

    The forums gang, however, advocate keeping the name of the prosecuting Linden out of it, and never publishing the name of the whistle-blowing AR reporter. This is ostensibly to protect them from retribution. Of course, they whole reason I don't want to have offenders' names published is that I think all of us need to be protected from the retribution of the vicious FIC, especially when they get going on their rampages. 

    And I do not trust the system, since I know that it is unjust, not only with regard to me, but with regard to many others. I see how people on the forums misbehave and commit even serious offenses, with impunity. I see people banned for the same offenses and banned inworld, and I don't get it. Nothing is done. I see people play "gotcha" and chase others into PG merely to report them. I saw how Kex Godel and her little friend Nicole Linden set me up to nail me in PG because they didn't like what I wrote on the forums. This is SL sport, trying to AR people. The other day, I was on Democracy Island (*cough*) having a heated conversation with Zarf Vantongerloo, expressing my great dismay at him having "gone Linden". At some point in the conversation I said something like "that's fucked up" or something like that, and Kim Anubis, one of those little FIC busy-bodies who likes to play gotcha, threatened to abuse-report me for swearing in PG.

    Imagine the mentality that goes into something like that! Imagine! The petty, vindictive, little bitchy attitude that overlooks the reasoning behind making something like Democracy Island PG (to prevent it from becoming blatantly sexual given the presence of university students and the need to keep a relative decorum for a university-funded project) and hammering on some little incident of someone technically "swearing in PG".

    The other day, Ingrid Ingersoll IM's me to play "gotcha" about one of my long-dead groups which has Xenon Linden in it because one day, I invited him for a talk and he joined a group to get the title "Moth Worshipper" out by the Moth Temple in Iris. We used to have events with this group, but then got too busy to keep it up, and forgot about it. Ingrid pounced on this (she must have spent hours studying all my groups) as "proof" that I was "hypocritical" about Lindens joining resident groups. *Shrugs*. I pointed out that if she has a new-found value about Lindens not joining groups and not abusing their own rule, then she should look at Bedazzled Studios or a dozen other groups that have Lindens in them. But of course, she'd rather just play Church Lady.

    Imagine the mentality that goes into this. But then, that's the culture we currently have in SL -- the culture of a six-grade girls' school clique, gossiping, back-biting, playing teacher's pet, and being a tattle-tale. The system *fosters* this kind of horrid little vicious personality, and the result is what we see on the forums. Shame on you, Linden Lab, for being party to this awful culture.

    So the system is widely misused, and to sustain any kind of publicizing ONLY of perps in this flawed system is to continue to celebrate what should be reformed, not praised.

    If someone doing an AR on another person anonymously fears retribution, then we have to wonder what kind of world it is if the Lindens cannot protect us. More to the point, however, if we publicized the names of the abuse-reporters, we'd have some social awareness and pressure on those who do these ARs not to misuses the system. We know they'd be judged.

    The resident review board is a joke, and to make it have real teeth, it could actually operate independently of the Lindens, and make findings independent of them.

    Let's start out with one bit of transparency: how many "review panels" result in aquittals? That's the test of any judicial system. None, I bet. Or less than 10 percent.

    But without transparency of this system, without being able to see which Lindens are doing what, without having any accountability from those who report anonymously on others with all the pernicious police-informant mentality that goes with it, without a free press, without an independent judiciary, without a properly informed public, these sorts of brandings are going to be done injuriously.

    In fact, what some overzealous smug little forum FICS recommend is triple jeopardy, have the Lindens do a ban, have them brand people's foreheads, and then be banned from various lots. In fact, Aimee wants to have something automatic in the land tools to automatically detect and ban all those "red headed" ones.

    Good Godwin!

    Why is it ok to invoke Godwin-able stuff? Because branding like that *is* tatooing arms.  It's not like anything else! And while it might make someone feel self-important to invoke Godwin, in fact all they've done with that is remove a really serious effort to examine these issues.

    That doesn't mean that in any way we compare the RL suffering of Holocaust victims with those who were banned in PG for swearing. No way! They are completely worlds apart.

    But the *mentality* at stake is not, and in the virtual real, the spiritual similarities in fact have greater potential for amplitude and viral spreading.

    We can recognize that we can't have an authoritarian metaverse take shape like this. We cannot have branding, in a context where no free press, no transparency on Linden action, and no trustworthy courts can operate. Such a system without that context of freedom is merely a witch hunt.

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