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January 31, 2006

SLTV

Below you can see the transcript that TrannyPet Barmy (the Fox guy on Fox TV) claims has me ranting for hours -- you can easily see him talking shite and him ranting in Foxese for hours lol.

Next, the wierd attempt by SLTV to reprimand me. Neither Fox TV nor SLTV exists anymore...

Lucca Kitty: wanna talk about conflict of interest? try the fact that the Lindens are paying SLTV to show what we want to show... we have a couple people accused of being "FIC" and we were all unanimously agreeing "YEah, lets go film the Superfox  show"
Lucca Kitty: our entire premise is that the entire community of SL should be responsible for the content of SLTV, both new and old residents alike... and you go bashing the very people trying to turn things around
Lucca Kitty: it's sick man, SICK!
Prokofy Neva: ? I don't know what the fuck you are talking about, you aren't making sense
Prokofy Neva: which people?
Lucca Kitty: well, Ice Brodie for one is doing a lot to help us out in getting everything going
Lucca Kitty: and here you are bashing the Lindens when we're working WITH them to get all of SL involved, and we're unbiased and want to promote the ENTIRE community of SL to come together for the better
Prokofy Neva: I dno't get what you are going on about? huh? I'm supopsed to censor myself on Fox TV here so you can do your little dance with the Lindens? Huh????
Lucca Kitty: no
Lucca Kitty: I'm saying
Prokofy Neva: I have no idea what you are about
Lucca Kitty: that the Lindens are perfectly fine with you airing this stuff
Lucca Kitty: I'm saying on a personal level that I'm insulted at your own conflict of interest
Prokofy Neva: I don't run Fox TV that's this guy's thing I'm just a guest on it
Prokofy Neva: ? what conflict of interest?
Lucca Kitty: I'm saying that the very people you are bashing
Lucca Kitty: WANT you to be able to say what you have to say
Lucca Kitty: well maybe except for a few of the more unscrupulous ones like Anshe... but we're NOT going to be airing Anshe ads or anything
Lucca Kitty: please just keep in mind that the Lindens realize about the FIC and that's partly why SLTV was turned over to the SLBC, because the SLBC is working its BUTT off to get impartial programming and even the playing field
Prokofy Neva: Well I support that, I'm not like the FIC on the forums who trashed the Lindens bidding out TV and trashed the concept anyone could do it
Prokofy Neva: and I was the first to tell Jesse Linden that he shoudl find Europeans
Prokofy Neva: who would understand how to do this world better than Americans
Prokofy Neva: because TV works differnt in Europe and has more tolerance for long talks shows and long wallpaper and stuff that American TV
Lucca Kitty: I'm not aware of any europeans within the SLBC, but our two head people are Canadian
Prokofy Neva: which is more slickly and briefly produced in segments can do
Prokofy Neva: well Canadian is very differnt, I used to work for CBC myself
Lucca Kitty: and even all the americans in SLBC are highly against the usual lack of journalistic integrity in American news
Prokofy Neva: but I don't get what you're going on and on about
Prokofy Neva: depends on the program
Prokofy Neva: but what is your beef? I don't see any conflict of interest here
Prokofy Neva: this guy asked me to be on his show
Prokofy Neva: He asked me about this group we started
Lucca Kitty: he isn't withus
Prokofy Neva: *shrugs*
Lucca Kitty: we're independant from him
Prokofy Neva: well you're filming him filming me or something
Prokofy Neva: but so what? interview me yourself? or whatever?
Prokofy Neva: I mean what is the issue?
Lucca Kitty: I was sent to film SuperFox
Prokofy Neva: by?
Lucca Kitty: by SLTV
Lucca Kitty: SLTV has no issue, nor do the Lindens... like I said, I'm just personally insulted by some of the things you're saying
Lucca Kitty: I mean you bashed the lindens in a general sense when I asked the Lindens if they're ok with this being aired and they said yes
Lucca Kitty: basically they said "Go for it, film it, don't censor it" and you're bashing the people giving you a voice, why?
Lucca Kitty: I just want to know why you're bashing the people who're giving you a voice that goes out to all of SL
Prokofy Neva: excuse me, but I have a critique of the Lindenes
Prokofy Neva: I don't turn it off when I'm on an independent tv
Prokofy Neva: I don't try to please somebody doing some project?
Lucca Kitty: I understand that, I'm not alking about that
Prokofy Neva: I don't get what you mean then
Lucca Kitty: I'm saying that you bash them in a general sense
Lucca Kitty: when in a general sense they're giving you a voice
Prokofy Neva: yes I do and I can't change that
Lucca Kitty: to me it wreaks of conflict of interest
Prokofy Neva: well they have permabanned me from the forums
Prokofy Neva: um where is the conflict hon?
Prokofy Neva: you make no sense
Prokofy Neva: they have a conflict of interest
Prokofy Neva: they encourage business then bash business themselves lol
Lucca Kitty: and so do you apparently...
Prokofy Neva: try to make sense please
Prokofy Neva: where is the conflict? I live in SL and I criticzie it/
Prokofy Neva: I live in American and I criticize Bush too
Prokofy Neva: is that ok with you?
Prokofy Neva: or do I need to shut that off when I go on tV?
Prokofy Neva: why do you get all precious about Lindens?
Lucca Kitty: Ilive in America and I'm oriignally Texan and I hate Bush's guts
Lucca Kitty: I'm not, I think the Lindens have issues
Prokofy Neva: so why am I supposed to behave different here?
Lucca Kitty: and I agree that they need checks and balances
Lucca Kitty: I'm not asking you to nbehave differently
Prokofy Neva: then what is your point?
Prokofy Neva: I haven't said anyting false or nasty
Lucca Kitty: my point is that you're attacking people who are giving you a voice
Prokofy Neva: I've said Jeska Linden shouldn't pose in resident ads
Prokofy Neva: full stop
Prokofy Neva: that's right and you know it
Prokofy Neva: well that's how life is hon
Prokofy Neva: you have to do that
Lucca Kitty: yeah it is right
Lucca Kitty: but what I mean is
Lucca Kitty: that you bash them in a general sense
Prokofy Neva: I signed the group letter raising these issues with the Lindens and we met them to present it formally
Prokofy Neva: yes that's the right thing to do
Prokofy Neva: I criticize them because thre's a lot that is not right with this world
Prokofy Neva: and thank God I do that
Prokofy Neva: it's necessary in any democratic and free society
Prokofy Neva: or we get totalitarianism
Lucca Kitty: so you'd bash Jesse Linden too?
Prokofy Neva: you seem to think I'm suppose to be sucking up on TV?
Prokofy Neva: Jesse should not be in SLTV
Lucca Kitty: you'd bash... say... the director of NASA Because Bush is being a disckhead?
Prokofy Neva: He's an ok guy but he should not be there
Prokofy Neva: if the director of NASA did something I felt wsa wrong sure
Prokofy Neva: and Jesse should bug out of SLTV if it is to be perceived as independent
Prokofy Neva: he can be designated as the helper on the staff for you to talk to
Prokofy Neva: he should not be in your organizations
Prokofy Neva: that's normal
Lucca Kitty: notice he's a member
Prokofy Neva: NBC doesn't have Elliott Abrams from the White House in it
Prokofy Neva: yo should not have Lindens
Prokofy Neva: that is a conflict of interest
Prokofy Neva: Lindens need to step back
Prokofy Neva: stop running this like Russia
Lucca Kitty: how is it a conflict of interest if they're hosting our bandwidth?
Prokofy Neva: the federal government leases or auctions satelites too
Prokofy Neva: they do not join the staff
Prokofy Neva: even public TV on the taxpayer's dollar
Lucca Kitty: he's not staff
Prokofy Neva: does not have the White House in the group
Prokofy Neva: he's a member
Prokofy Neva: he does not belong there
Lucca Kitty: he's there so that he can recieve updates from us
Prokofy Neva: do you get what an independent media is?
Lucca Kitty: not the othe rway around
Prokofy Neva: they exercise subtle control that way
Prokofy Neva: as you will see
Lucca Kitty: the FCC still pays attention to the internal goings on of tv stations
Prokofy Neva: however helpful and cheerful they are
Lucca Kitty: cheerful?
Prokofy Neva: they don't join the frigging station
Prokofy Neva: you don't get it
Prokofy Neva: they are nice people
Prokofy Neva: but they don't belong in our groups
Prokofy Neva: they're the government, we're the people
Lucca Kitty: just this afternoon he was talking about how we're being lazy
Prokofy Neva: that's how it should be
Prokofy Neva: that's the problem
Prokofy Neva: what the hell does he know?
Prokofy Neva: making TV is hard fucking work I used to do it
Lucca Kitty: because the stream was offline
Prokofy Neva: it's hard to find stuff in here moving
Prokofy Neva: Please don't accuse me of conflict of interest merely because I live in the world and invest in the world and criticize Lindens
Prokofy Neva: when you have a Linden looking over your shoulder like that
Prokofy Neva: maybe it's like Russia
Prokofy Neva: but then don't pretend otherwise
Lucca Kitty: they're hosting and paying us
Lucca Kitty: we can't afford the bandwidth on our own
Lucca Kitty: so don't even pretend like this is FIC bullshit
Prokofy Neva: I realize it is Kremlin TV
Lucca Kitty: it's more like trying to set things right
Prokofy Neva: and that maybe is how you do it
Prokofy Neva: but then don't criticize ME for being free
Prokofy Neva: make an editorial judgement not to cover me
Prokofy Neva: let the other tv be the free one and you be the Kremlin TV
Prokofy Neva: Kremlin TV has a purpose too and can be useful
Prokofy Neva: maybe that's all you get to do here
Prokofy Neva: then do it well
Prokofy Neva: but don't criticize me for ruining your change to make it LOOK LIKE you are independent by showin gME
Prokofy Neva: and trying to ge tme to BEHAVE
Prokofy Neva: that's just fucking ridiculous
Prokofy Neva: go cover some happy newbie being helped by some happy Linden greeter or something
Lucca Kitty: you know what's rediculous?
Prokofy Neva: I dn't get why you are trying to censor me? it's absurd
Lucca Kitty: the cockamamy conspiracy theories of some asshole who wants to think someone's out to get him?
Prokofy Neva: no one  asks you to cover me or this fox guy
Lucca Kitty: we're not trying to sensor you
Lucca Kitty: censor
Prokofy Neva: *shrugs*
Lucca Kitty: if we were trying to censor you, we wouldn't be airing it live
Prokofy Neva: Lucca, what's your take on Jeska posing for Flipper's SL Boutique?
Prokofy Neva: well nobody asked you?
Lucca Kitty: and we would be getting the SLTV execs going "Go ahead, keep it open, the Lindens are fine with this content"
Prokofy Neva: and the Lindens could shut you down for that possible, but hey, it's your judgement
Prokofy Neva: I didn't say anyting that violates the TOS on the forums even under those rather heavy restraints there
Prokofy Neva: I state my opinions and I do not make personal attacks
Prokofy Neva: You are not supposed to discuss your banning or anyone's banning on the forums, which is silly, but hey
Prokofy Neva: too bad, it's something I as asked about
Lucca Kitty: you know man... concidering I happen to agree with most of what you say
Lucca Kitty: you attacking me like this
Prokofy Neva: um Lucca,k you are on drugs
Lucca Kitty: makes me wonder
Prokofy Neva: you started haranguing me
Prokofy Neva: not me you
Prokofy Neva: I merely fend off your silly attempts to change what I say
Prokofy Neva: and try to presuade you that your illusions of being independent are just that illusions
Lucca Kitty: goodbye
Prokofy Neva: I didn't start haranguing you
Prokofy Neva: well by and welcome to my blog baby

Fox TV

AsterixLe Gall: IS LIKE ON WITH SHOW
AsterixLe Gall: WHO WE GOT TO NITE THEN FOTTSY ?
AsterixLe Gall: AHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
AsterixLe Gall: WELL
AsterixLe Gall: WE GOT A GUEST
AsterixLe Gall: DAMNIT I IS WATCHED COVERAGE ALL DAY AND IS FORDOT ABOUT SHOW
AsterixLe Gall: BUT
AsterixLe Gall: AT REAL SHORT NOTICE
AsterixLe Gall: GOT US A BIG NAME IS DID
AsterixLe Gall: YUH
AsterixLe Gall: AM SURE ALL IS HEARD OF HIM
AsterixLe Gall: WELL KNOWN IN FORUMS, OR WAS
You: the Infamous Antagonist
AsterixLe Gall: ITS
You: was was
AsterixLe Gall: PROKOFY NEVA
AsterixLe Gall: BIG UP THE NEVA MASSIVE
AsterixLe Gall: COM ON UP HERE PROF MAN
AsterixLe Gall: HAN ON LET ME MOVE TO SIDE SO YOU CAN GET THE COW
You: yo superfox dude
You: where do I go
AsterixLe Gall: THERE YOU GO MANS
You: I'm supposed to go onthe cow?
No room to sit here, try another spot.
AsterixLe Gall: hahahahahahah filming the SLTV filming us
AsterixLe Gall: lol
You: Here I am on the cow.
AsterixLe Gall: ok mans
AsterixLe Gall: that fines
You: How now.
AsterixLe Gall: that will do
AsterixLe Gall: we is can do back to back
You: but
AsterixLe Gall: something different for show mans
You: I not facing you
AsterixLe Gall: lmao
AsterixLe Gall: ut oh
You: Beheheh fun
AsterixLe Gall: lol
You: hey this show is fun
AsterixLe Gall: hey prof
AsterixLe Gall: dun move man
AsterixLe Gall: i'll move its cool
You: well ok shoot dude
AsterixLe Gall: there you go mans
AsterixLe Gall: big up the prof massive
AsterixLe Gall: welcome to show mans
You: um great props dude
AsterixLe Gall: lol
You: welcome to my world
You: : )
AsterixLe Gall: is one of Kis's that one
AsterixLe Gall: lol
AsterixLe Gall: wanna c sploding cow ?
You: sigh
You: dare I say no?
AsterixLe Gall: there it goes
AsterixLe Gall: one of Loups
AsterixLe Gall: yuh
You: oh dear
AsterixLe Gall: bye bye livestock
AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahaha
You: this is like the Three Stooges, the slapstick approach
AsterixLe Gall: yuh nutting prepared
AsterixLe Gall: no scripts
AsterixLe Gall: i is know a little about you
AsterixLe Gall: has heard name
You: the exploding cow always is a good filler I find
AsterixLe Gall: and know is acheived like infamouy in forums
You: well I'm the Infamous Antagonist
You: the Eliminated Entity
AsterixLe Gall: lol
AsterixLe Gall: right mans
AsterixLe Gall: can you tell us some about that ?
You: He Who Dare Not BE Named
You: I'm permabanned from the forums.
AsterixLe Gall: like how is it come about that you got so INFAMOUS
AsterixLe Gall: yeah i heared that to
AsterixLe Gall: tell all man
AsterixLe Gall: how did it happen
You: Um, I called Aimee Weber's name "like a prom queen who dots her i's with a heart"?
You: well that and saying stuff like "Is SL Ready for Investment?"
AsterixLe Gall: why is that bad man ?
AsterixLe Gall: like why is bad to ask such a thing ?
You: well what happened is that I stepped on a lot of tails I guess
You: I invented the term Feted Inner Core to describe the elite of SL
You: and they got pissed and started abuse-reporting me
AsterixLe Gall: ok mans wait
AsterixLe Gall: Fetted Inner Core
AsterixLe Gall: as in FIC right mans ?
You: well you had to be there, the forums are a cesspool
You: FIC is feted as in celebrated yes
You: many confuse it with the word "fetid" but it is "feted"
AsterixLe Gall: so thats not really a like real thing then ? its a term you is invented
You: Oh it's a satire.
AsterixLe Gall: for like descibe certain elements of SLers ?
You: It's not like there's some real cabal in the basement plotting.
You: It's not like I have a tinfoil hat on or anything.
You: It's not a conspiracy, a lot of them are just lonely kids.
You: You know, they see the Lindens are their in parentis locus or whatsis
AsterixLe Gall: so is like reason is got banned then is cos you is encouraged peoples to is like see outside the box a little ?
You: you know, they need some kind of authority figures to suck up to I guess
You: well I'm not a tekkie and I poked fun at a lot of them
AsterixLe Gall: lol
You: it's like the geeks rule the world here, the revenge of the nerds kinda thing
You: I invented another term called tekkie wiki to kinda poke fun at their self-importance
AsterixLe Gall: lol
You: their idea that they are always helping the world by making all this free shit
You: that doesn't work half the time
You: ROFL
AsterixLe Gall: so thats what alot of the freebie crap is about then mans ?
You: well I personally think there's too much of it and it saps newbie initiative
AsterixLe Gall: is like self promotions of the Fetted Inner Core of SL right ?
You: I mean I have all kindsa free crap in my inventory
You: some of it is helpful but some of it is just a loss leader
You: and you're supposed to be feel all tingly inside
AsterixLe Gall: me n mikey is got shit loads earlier mans
You: that some girl sandbagged you in the welcome area with her goodie bag for free
AsterixLe Gall: lol yuh
You: and you put on some ugly latex pants and then buy her $500 shirt later LOL
You: ROFL
You: I dunno I just find a lot of self-important in here
AsterixLe Gall: like eternally greatful for L$1 worth of crap
Broc Nilsson: Mike??
You: I'm just on another polatnet
You: well I went around when I was new and right clicked on everything
You: you never know you get lucky and swipe something
AsterixLe Gall: lol yuh is gotta see what can steal
AsterixLe Gall: thats what edit there for man
You: but I think there's just too much of it that is out there and NOT modifiable
AsterixLe Gall: yuh ahahahahahaha
AsterixLe Gall: is good to see we is on same level man
AsterixLe Gall: if it aint nailed downz
AsterixLe Gall: is there for the theiving
AsterixLe Gall: lol
You: well I believe that people should be paid for their work
You: I'm shocked sometimes at how low people charge for really hard work for really nice stuff
You: I think we need to value things more here and pay people what they are worth
AsterixLe Gall: yuh thing remember is tho i guess is like level of sales
You: I'm not an anarchist and not one of these kinda people moochying off others like a lot of the hippie utopianists
AsterixLe Gall: dude
You: well what happens is a newbie comes on the forums
AsterixLe Gall: the fots is biggest god damn moocher in sl
You: and he says look here's my house I made for $50 woot
AsterixLe Gall: is how show got started !!!!!
Broc Nilsson: Hows it hanging?
AsterixLe Gall: $50 is way cheep for house right ?
You: and everyone jumps on him and says "oh SL is for fun don't sell stuff" and "You're advertising your house in the wrong place" and shit like that
You: very
AsterixLe Gall: yuh good man
AsterixLe Gall: nice hat
You: but then it's just a box
AsterixLe Gall: lol
Broc Nilsson: thanks bro
You: w3ell yeah a lot of Internet things are cheap or free sure
You: but you get what you pay for mmm?
AsterixLe Gall: yuh mans has you seen Loups UberHouse yet ?
Broc Nilsson: Nice fox outfit
AsterixLe Gall: for free
AsterixLe Gall: Loup maked house
You: nope but Loups is fox in french right?
AsterixLe Gall: is for like living in a Mall
You: or something
AsterixLe Gall: dunno manz
You: Lysa in Russian
AsterixLe Gall: is only do foxese
AsterixLe Gall: nice
AsterixLe Gall: yuh
AsterixLe Gall: but i get loup for like send you uber house
You: there's a story about the dough boy that rolled around and the fox ate him
Broc Nilsson: Hey man thats a nice suit, stylish
AsterixLe Gall: is like for move into mall
AsterixLe Gall: is only like 5 prims
You: ok
AsterixLe Gall: so way inside of prim limit in mall space
You: well I got this suit from him Baccara Rhodes is it?
You: It's a long story
AsterixLe Gall: lol
You: about someone who used to make me wear a suit or they wouldn't go out with me
Broc Nilsson: hhaha I bet
AsterixLe Gall: nah man is like try to get folks for like live in Malls
You: and it just got there in my inventory
AsterixLe Gall: cheaper rent instead of buy land
AsterixLe Gall: is good for newbies
Cindy Claveau is online
You: yeah well I'm a rentals man myself
AsterixLe Gall: is the suit is has on now man ?
Mike Geer: CHEES
Mike Geer: E
Mike Geer: MGOAG
Mike Geer: COW P
Mike Geer: IE
Mike Geer: MONKEYS!
You: that's my business
Broc Nilsson: dude this is one cool show
Mike Geer: GRGRADMAN PANTIES
You: Fox now tell me, what will the Lindens do
AsterixLe Gall: aaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahah fanz on set
You: if you got on here and started like I dunno calling on people to overthrow King Philip?
AsterixLe Gall: well prolly kik me liek they did at town hall meeting
You: I'm wondering what the limits are
AsterixLe Gall: for go on stage and dansing
Broc Nilsson: fanz? where not getting piad for being up here?
You: you were a nuisance at the town hall I recall
AsterixLe Gall: well
AsterixLe Gall: way i see it mans
Mike Geer: *rubs nippless*
AsterixLe Gall: is like
You: hey was that cool or WHAT when that girl landed
AsterixLe Gall: if is stay with in bounds of ToS
AsterixLe Gall: can is pretty muts do like what want
You: and she had like "PLay Sexy Clit I get Excited When you Touch Me"
You: and Phil was like "Whoah watch it with that thing iwill ya?"
Broc Nilsson: *pats suit man on the back*
AsterixLe Gall: lol
AsterixLe Gall: damnit
You: everybody was like whoah
AsterixLe Gall: i couldnt like see
You: that girl landed with her !@#$ on Phil
You: LOL
AsterixLe Gall: cos is camera look this way :(
AsterixLe Gall: got some nifty ass n titties shots tho earlier
AsterixLe Gall: )))Ass Titties Ass N Titties(((
You: did you get that moment on tape back then dude?
Broc Nilsson: Prokofy, ur hot
Mike Geer: wipes it out
You: I kknow
You: you know what is shocking?
You: I am no. 1 on ratemyav.com
AsterixLe Gall: nah man is maybe like the other camera crue on set is mite has
* Play Sexy - Cock: Time to Play Sexy!
* Play Sexy - Cock whispers: I get Excited when you touch me!
You: I am making the FIC furious!
You: wow
AsterixLe Gall: hey is thinking could be time for demo
AsterixLe Gall: has any of fanz seen HoS ?
Broc Nilsson: woah Im not suprised, i wouldnt say no
AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahahahahahaha
You: who is ttaking out their hog there?
AsterixLe Gall: hog
Super Nerd is offline
Mike Geer: *starts to lay wiwith himeslf*
AsterixLe Gall: screw hog
AsterixLe Gall: is got hos here
Mike Geer: play*
AsterixLe Gall: right so hey mans
AsterixLe Gall: is like
Broc Nilsson: these fox avies are hot too
AsterixLe Gall: ya do rentals now to as well as has fun with forums ?
Mike Geer: *moans and rubs his nipples*
You: I'm permabanned from the forums
Broc Nilsson: I brought a new weewee today:)
You: SO I had to start a blog, well I had one anyway but I added to it
Mike Geer: *stats to kick astreizlke
You: Broc you're supposed to let girls buy em for you
You: I read it in the Herald
AsterixLe Gall: can we and fanz is like has address for ?
Broc Nilsson: really?
You: that way they have their names on it or whatever
Broc Nilsson: damn
You: yeah
AsterixLe Gall: he isnt does know what girls is man
AsterixLe Gall: he's a Varick
AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahahahahahaha
You: or boys
You: whatever you know partners
Mike Geer: my weewee is deforme now since i sat on this chicken
Broc Nilsson: well its still getting use *winkw*
Mike Geer: Broc can i have a ne weewee?
AsterixLe Gall: yuh n doesnt mean like barn dancing either dummy
You: I rent all kinds of houses, estates, land, docks, stores
Broc Nilsson: No
AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahah is like they is gettin themselves off live on Super Fox TV
You: it's fun I get to meet a lot of people in the game.
AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahahahahah dummies
Mike Geer: MY WEEWEE IS GONE *CRIES*
Mike Geer: WAAAAA!
Broc Nilsson: u fucked up ir weewee now live with it!!
AsterixLe Gall: right is demo something here
AsterixLe Gall: yuh
AsterixLe Gall: is fun
Mike Geer: BROC I WNAT A WEEEWE PLEASEEE
Broc Nilsson: NO WEEWEE
HoS whispers: Hand of Satan Ready ......
HoS whispers: use '/900 blastall' to invoke :), '/900 hoshelp' to display help msg
Mike Geer: Pro can i have a weewee?
AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahahahaha
You: Asterix is there a reason you adopted the same title as Phil Linden has on his game?
AsterixLe Gall: yuh
You: um get your own damn weewee freeloader
AsterixLe Gall: is was for like town hall meeting that fotsy called
AsterixLe Gall: THAT NO ONE TURNED UP TO
AsterixLe Gall: DUMMIES
AsterixLe Gall: cos
AsterixLe Gall: like is for was for like has instead of Lindens at front of stage
Broc Nilsson: so what exactly is this show?
You: oh well people are such sheep Asterix
Mike Geer: PRO WATHC YOUR LANUAGE ICUSNIG IS AGANST MY RELIGION GOD DAMN IT!
AsterixLe Gall: for like kik ppl off and stuff
Broc Nilsson: u talk and ppl watch?
AsterixLe Gall: HAS SS LINDENS
You: they don't know how to have a town hall unless Phil is there to paste stuff out to them
Mike Geer: Fuck Fuck Fuck
Mike Geer: Motha Motha Fuck
Mike Geer: Motha Motha Fuck Fuck
Mike Geer: Motha Fuck Motha Fuck
Mike Geer: Noise Noise Noise
AsterixLe Gall: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
SLBC Neurocam: ok please watch your language Mike
AsterixLe Gall: yuh
AsterixLe Gall: hey mans
Mike Geer: ops sowwy
AsterixLe Gall: did yer see me at the town hall meeting ?
AsterixLe Gall: hey wait up
AsterixLe Gall: fottsy not so dumb
Mike Geer: *cries* my family abuses me
AsterixLe Gall: SLTV is hired a pair of greifers
AsterixLe Gall: nice one guys
You: yeah like I said you ewre kinda nuisancing up the place
Mike Geer: JERRY JERRY JERRY
AsterixLe Gall: check this out pro
Broc Nilsson: I dont know this man *points at Mikw*
AsterixLe Gall: SLTV trying to nobble is like SuperFoxTV.com
Broc Nilsson: Mike
AsterixLe Gall: by invitign griefers along
AsterixLe Gall: well is time for leave griefers
SLBC Neurocam: we didn't invite anyone along
Mike Geer: PLEASE DONT HURT ME IM ONLY A
Mike Geer: NEWBIE!
AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahahahaha
AsterixLe Gall: yuh right onwards
AsterixLe Gall: sorry pro mans
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AsterixLe Gall: isnt normally get griefer tards in show
AsterixLe Gall: but
SLBC Neurocam: sorry SuperFox, I assure you, we had nothing to do with that guy
AsterixLe Gall: yuh lets is carry on
AsterixLe Gall: rentals man
Broc Nilsson: huh griefer tards?, what have we done?
AsterixLe Gall: hows that business going ?
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Broc Nilsson: Im sorry i was unaware this was a show, i thought u were just chatting
AsterixLe Gall: lol while prokofky doing summat
AsterixLe Gall: am gonna try summit out yuh yuh
You: I'm checking the events calendar
AsterixLe Gall: oh no back
You: it never works right
AsterixLe Gall: lol yuh is never let me list right co-ords right
AsterixLe Gall: and
AsterixLe Gall: is still cant activate camera account for on like show
AsterixLe Gall: is signed up account SL
AsterixLe Gall: and is cant get me 2k referral from activation
AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahahaha
AsterixLe Gall: SORT IT OUT MANS
AsterixLe Gall: yuh
AsterixLe Gall: yuh prok man
AsterixLe Gall: tell us bout rentals ?
AsterixLe Gall: like hows that going ?
AsterixLe Gall: and where do we is like if want rent some land
AsterixLe Gall: how is best way for go about ?
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You: You get my notecard that has the communities where parcels are available
You: they have house son them or you can bring your own or build your own
You: I have like 9 or so different locations
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AsterixLe Gall: cool
SLBC Neurocam: Fox, don't meant to interrupt, but i just got spammed with messages about "hand of satan"
AsterixLe Gall: is like zoned ?
You: I have them for different budgets, from $150 for PG or for newbies going up to like $2000 a week for a large estate
You: well I have some that are zoned but it is very hard to zone in here
AsterixLe Gall: like L$ mans ?
You: I don't have land on the private islands, I prefer the freedom and variety of the mainland
You: yes LL of course
You: I can take Paypal too
AsterixLe Gall: cools
You: but most people just pay their stipends
AsterixLe Gall: hows that going for you mans ?
You: and I let them edit and put in trees and music and so on
AsterixLe Gall: like is people still big on mainland ?
SLBC Neurocam: I want to make it VERY clear that this IS being recorded, if anyone griefs the SuperFox show we WILL have VIDEO EVIDENCE to give to the Lindens
You: well a lot of people go to the islands for awhile
You: then some of them come back
You: or some of them have a little place still on the mainland
You: where they don't hvae as many rules
You: see a lot of the islands have more rules about building etc
AsterixLe Gall: the zoning rules right ?
You: mostly you can build as you please on my lots as long as you don't put up like a big ugly purple twirling square
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You: well zoning is a relative concept
AsterixLe Gall: lol
You: like you can't enforce a zone on the mainland
You: you can say "I hereby say this sim is residential"
You: but if you set it for sale someone will come and do their thing
You: which might be a club or mall
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You: so I try to establish some areas just for houses
You: then I try to put the stores up by the road
You: to mix it up an dnot restrict it totally but keep it from going ugly
AsterixLe Gall: so its a similar thing
AsterixLe Gall: but in on mainland likes yuh ?
AsterixLe Gall: yuh i get the idea i thinks man
You: it's not enforceable to zone unless you have a private island
AsterixLe Gall: yuh
AsterixLe Gall: good idea
You: yeah I like the mainland
AsterixLe Gall: other thing is
You: because people fly by and meet each other
AsterixLe Gall: can is like has a bit of land on mainland
You: it's not surrounded by all this blackness and water like the Twilight Zone
AsterixLe Gall: and not has to commit to like premium account
AsterixLe Gall: cos is rentals right ?
You: and the geography is just more interesting
You: well the mainland was made by the Lindens and sometimes they make neat stuff
You: you know like a bridge or damn or beautiful waterfalls
AsterixLe Gall: like rocks
AsterixLe Gall: and m not futts about
You: the islands tend to be like all sandy beaches
AsterixLe Gall: i like rox
You: like somebody's idea of Club Med
AsterixLe Gall: serious when ever is see rox in SL
AsterixLe Gall: is has to go look
You: but there are some very well done islands like Anshe's Aksha Desert
You: I have some land out there
You: amazing dunes and stuff
You: it's what you make it really
AsterixLe Gall: hasnt looked yet
AsterixLe Gall: but is maybe fly up there for a foxtrot laters
AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahah yuh manz
You: some people prefer the security of islands, some prefer the variety of the mainland
You: lol
You: well people make niches
You: you know like furries here or French there
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AsterixLe Gall: yuh or tinies
You: I think it's a challenge to see if you can get along withyour neighbours
You: and since people are such fucktards on here so often
AsterixLe Gall: no fordet the tinies mans
AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahaha
You: it's a total challenge
AsterixLe Gall: yuh
AsterixLe Gall: i hear that quite a bit
AsterixLe Gall: but less no be too hard on DUMMIES
AsterixLe Gall: is like every one is has to learn is guess
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AsterixLe Gall: but just dun come on my show DUMMIES
AsterixLe Gall: COS I FUTTING HATE DUMMIES
AsterixLe Gall: STUPID DUMMIES
AsterixLe Gall: IT SAYS ON SITE
AsterixLe Gall: NO GOD DAMN DUMMIES
AsterixLe Gall: SO IF YOU IS A FUTTTARD
AsterixLe Gall: DUN COME ON SHOW
AsterixLe Gall: GOT IT DUMMIES
AsterixLe Gall: yuh
AsterixLe Gall: sorry manz
AsterixLe Gall: is just get lil excited when like talk of dummies is happen
AsterixLe Gall: yuh
AsterixLe Gall: like alliance
AsterixLe Gall: what who is come on show yesterday
AsterixLe Gall: but is cryied and left earlier
SLBC Neurocam: this IS being recorded, so any and all griefers will have VIDEO EVIDENCE against them
AsterixLe Gall: is think was bed times or summat
AsterixLe Gall: mouldy assses
You: hmm
AsterixLe Gall: ok mans
You: well I duno about that
AsterixLe Gall: i dunno if wants to talk about this
AsterixLe Gall: and is can say none of fottsies god damn business if like
AsterixLe Gall: but
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AsterixLe Gall: in forum recent
AsterixLe Gall: is like all reporter stuff about MJW
AsterixLe Gall: and is like lot of debate over what is got said
AsterixLe Gall: and is what is not got said
AsterixLe Gall: like get picture ?
AsterixLe Gall: you mind is at all if we is talk a lil about MJW ?
You: sure thing
AsterixLe Gall: oks tanx man
You: It was founded to promote justice in SL
AsterixLe Gall: first thing tho
AsterixLe Gall: is would really like to keep it is so like
AsterixLe Gall: since you was is there
AsterixLe Gall: is wat was all like REALLY said and agreed and stuff
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AsterixLe Gall: know what mean ?
AsterixLe Gall: like straight from one of horses mouths
AsterixLe Gall: rather than a biassed bs'ing reporter
AsterixLe Gall: yuh yuh
AsterixLe Gall: sorry mans
You: Ok ask me a question
AsterixLe Gall: was gonna tell us what it is
You: I was there for most of it
You: I missed some bits waiting on customers
AsterixLe Gall: ok can first of all is like tell fanz what MJW is about ?
AsterixLe Gall: am a blow up a cow quick
AsterixLe Gall: god damn it
You: well the group was just formed and is still gelling
AsterixLe Gall: muh cow broked
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AsterixLe Gall: right is what way is Justice about man ?
You: well a group of us felt that there have been a lot of injustices lately
You: and that in general there is not a level playing field here
You: that the entire world is skewed and has no checks and balances
You: in real life you need all kind of watchdog groups
You: that keep a watch on power
You: and you need groups to watch the watchers
You: and the watchers of the watchers
AsterixLe Gall: like insider dealing type stuffs man ?
You: this is all normal
You: yes
You: some people will say they need justice from the very land barons in this group of ours
You: let them
You: we gathered our clout, such as it is, which represents some of the highest tier payers in this town
You: and we decided to use it to try to get a slate of issues raised with the Lindens
You: and seek a meeting with them
You: I didn't know if anybody had ever formally done that before
You: formally
AsterixLe Gall: this is on behalf of SLer's to right mans ?
You: I mean instead of all this kind of FIC friendly stuff
You: where old players who become Lindens then pal around with their old beta-test love-fest buddies
AsterixLe Gall: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
AsterixLe Gall: is see is what FIC mean now man
AsterixLe Gall: is get picture
You: well it's not like many think iti is
You: it's not some plot where they get together in a cellar
AsterixLe Gall: is needs some headshots ahahahahaha
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AsterixLe Gall: but like a masons sort is thing yuh ?
You: but it is a group or a state of likemindedness, group think especially evident on the forums
You: no
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You: they just say that to be funny and ridicule me
You: but honestly, it's a satire of sorts to get people to see
AsterixLe Gall: no mans not the MJW
You: that they take themselves too seriously
AsterixLe Gall: is mean like FIC is like masons
You: no FIC isn't masons either
You: it's group think
You: ti's how people behave in groups
AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahhaahaha fottsy is dummie ahahahahahahaha
You: mobs get formed and people behave in ways they wouldn't in RL
You: anyway we decided to come up with a few test cases
AsterixLe Gall: gots it now
AsterixLe Gall: like Alliance ?
You: things like Jeska Linden posing for SLBoutiques
You: is that right for her to do that?
You: I ask her to pose for me, she doesn't LOL
You: It's an issue of fiarness
SLBC Neurocam: For our viewers that don't know. FIC means "Fetid Inner Core" and refers to a conspiracy theory about Second Life politics
AsterixLe Gall: well isnt was right she didnt ask muh question at town hall meeting
You: fairness
You: well it is not a conspiracy theory
AsterixLe Gall: and then is like remove me for dancing
You: it's a description, an analysis of how the people who are both older players
You: and their new apprentices
You: feel they are entitled to a certain stature and privilege
You: you see it in things like their expenctation
You: that they can force people off the forums
You: get newbies streamed to their land in welcome programs
You: get Lindens to DJ at their events or pose in their ads
AsterixLe Gall: so MJW is promoting freedom of speaches to right mans ?
You: it's just an assumption
You: well we didn't get into the forums
You: we startled with simpler issues
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You: 1) code of ethics for Lindens
You: 2) how to end misuse of the abuse report system which is used to settle scores
You: 3) how to minimize conflict of interest and efforts to run residents out of business
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You: you know the basic rules of the game
AsterixLe Gall: right is starting understand now man
You: it is not to promote our business interests
You: we have other groups for that
You: it's to get the Lindens to step up to the plate
AsterixLe Gall: is more for like promote like fair trading for all in SL right man /
You: to realize they aren't in Kansas anymore
You: like theyre' not in this little small town in America
You: now with their little friends and the town elders who clear on what people do or say
AsterixLe Gall: no one is can like cause some one is else like grief from in background
You: it's a big fucking place
AsterixLe Gall: yuh mans
AsterixLe Gall: too muts can is be hidden up easy now
You: there are huge numbers of creators in here
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You: there are numerous people who have way more traffic on their lots than the forum FIC
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You: there are new people who make vehicles, skins, avatars just as popular and just as kewl
You: so stop showing the same old FIC people on the website
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You: spread the wealth of attention around a little more
AsterixLe Gall: yeah manz agreed on that
AsterixLe Gall: FUTS TO FIX
AsterixLe Gall: COME ON SUPER FOX SHOW
You: and establish some guidelines for how Lindens throw business to poeople
AsterixLe Gall: AND SHOW OFF YOURS STUFFS
You: like they gave as $17,000 US real-life dollar bid to a FIC group
You: that got people plenty pissed
You: it went to a secret sim by some RL bank that asked for builders
You: and people were like, hey, how come I'm a super builder and I couldn't put in a bid?
You: so now the Lindends have a Developers' Directory
AsterixLe Gall: cos not in FIC right ?
You: but you have to be like, already on their radar to get in it
You: well interview the FIC and get their side of it
AsterixLe Gall: that big sucks and smeslls is of like foxtrots
You: looks to me like same-old same-old
AsterixLe Gall: yuh mans that good idea
AsterixLe Gall: is think do that
You: they need to have a fair system
AsterixLe Gall: oi fic'ers
AsterixLe Gall: if any is watch muh show mans
AsterixLe Gall: want one of you is to come on is up here
AsterixLe Gall: and splain selves
AsterixLe Gall: is like why you think is get all business
You: the idea is not to have a plywood box equal to the Taj Mahal
You: we understand there are some people who are more talented than others
AsterixLe Gall: when is like other peoples like with mouths for to feed yuh yuh
You: but just have equal opporunity
You: lol
AsterixLe Gall: yuh is should be fairs man
AsterixLe Gall: totally
You: well and I think we need ethics or codes of conduct for Lidnens
AsterixLe Gall: and is like new idea for show
You: they have tremendous power over the world
AsterixLe Gall: you is gonna likes this one
You: they can't say hey it's a country with its own currency and you can start a business, and it's not a game
You: and then turn around and say well no my buddy gets the contract
You: that's like Russia or China
AsterixLe Gall: yuh is wouldnt get away with in RL
AsterixLe Gall: hey mans
AsterixLe Gall: one thing
AsterixLe Gall: one thing
AsterixLe Gall: is gotta ask before is carry on
You: well you wouldnl't in a democratic country with free press and justice
AsterixLe Gall: cos is like
AsterixLe Gall: well is say stuff and is not say it not true
AsterixLe Gall: but is can this all be found out ?
AsterixLe Gall: like so fanz can is see for selves ?
You: well you have to go and ask yourself
You: is it right for Jesk Linden to pose for SlBoutiques?
You: the big billboard is up in that telehub area by Kania
You: is it right for Shaun Linden to DJ events?
AsterixLe Gall: yuh fink is seen that
AsterixLe Gall: she look HOT
You: the issue not that he used the global PA system
You: we understand he said that was a mistake
You: I get a thing telling me to force-TP over to see Shaun Linden
You: WTF is that?
You: well he says that is a mistake
You: ok but what is he even DOING DJing for some resident's show?
You: like how come I don't get Shaun Linden to show off at my thing?
You: and sell my stuff?
You: and get my dwell?
You: it's just fairness
AsterixLe Gall: hey mans
AsterixLe Gall: dun worry
AsterixLe Gall: cos is got plans for yer mans
You: it's not a question of dumbing down quality to my level, like in Russia, the resentment of the talented
You: it's a question of like FAIRNESS
AsterixLe Gall: is like when you is want guest dj for is like sell stuff
AsterixLe Gall: im SUPER FOX mans
AsterixLe Gall: is come help you is out
You: well thanks
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You: I never have time to do stuff like that I should do more
You: I just give space to tenants who do their thing
AsterixLe Gall: count me up for a spot man for sure
AsterixLe Gall: yuh yuh
AsterixLe Gall: DJ FOX king of the grooves
AsterixLe Gall: yuh
You: well and you have to ask about this whole system
You: whereby an old player levels up and becomes a Linden
You: that's the heart of darkness IMHO
You: that's where a lot of the problems of unfairness start
AsterixLe Gall: perhaps is need some form of Lindoftel
You: if you are my best buddy
AsterixLe Gall: OfLind
You: and we had a business together
You: and then you get to become a Linden
You: and you then start throwing me contracts and stuff
You: well who checks on that?
You: I mean I couldn't have people in my various jobs in RL if they had a conflict of interest
AsterixLe Gall: yuh is like need 3rd party for is like monitor activity of lindens
AsterixLe Gall: yuh
You: and you have to sign a disclosure
AsterixLe Gall: but then is again man
You: and you have to recuse yourself from contracts and things like that
AsterixLe Gall: is LL like is floated on marke ?
AsterixLe Gall: is point is make is like
AsterixLe Gall: if not
AsterixLe Gall: is almost is still like private
AsterixLe Gall: and is like up for them is to do as please
AsterixLe Gall: but i guess
AsterixLe Gall: fing is
AsterixLe Gall: if some one doesnt is like form something like MJW
You: what's bothersome to me is that both Lindens and FIC see nothing arong with this
AsterixLe Gall: to stop unfairness and stuff
AsterixLe Gall: is like
You: they have this really fucking arrogant attitude
AsterixLe Gall: soon no one wanna play no more
You: like we're here we're the best fuck off
AsterixLe Gall: and like no more SL :(
AsterixLe Gall: yuh
AsterixLe Gall: zactly
You: well they have a conscious attitude
AsterixLe Gall: and fottsy is love SL
AsterixLe Gall: and if no more sl
AsterixLe Gall: is like now more FOX SHOW
You: which is let's only have the qulaity people make SL and keep out the riff-raff
You: and I think you can't do that
AsterixLe Gall: hey mans is like the idea of SuperFoxTV.com then mans ?
You: or you can't have a mllion people come through the door
You: they claim to want that
AsterixLe Gall: like cos independant
You: well you need an independent pres sin here badly
AsterixLe Gall: and is open for any one and every one for is come on and say what like
You: to cover events from an independent perspectgive sure
AsterixLe Gall: long as no slanders
SLBC Neurocam: SLTV isn't supposed to opin anything politically... so I'm going to try to keep this as impartial as possible.
You: the challenge is how to make it fair and balanced
You: well you 'd have to investigate whether something is slander
AsterixLe Gall: hang on a sec prof
SLBC Neurocam: SLTV is hosted by the lindens and run by residents both old and new.
AsterixLe Gall: FOTTSY IS NEED TO FUTTSIN POINT SOMETHING OUT HERE
AsterixLe Gall: THIS IS A SUPERFOXTV.COM SHOW
Fox Diller: Yes.
AsterixLe Gall: WE DONT WANT FUTTINS SLTV SUBTITLES
AsterixLe Gall: DO WE UNDERSTAND SLTV ?
AsterixLe Gall: IF NOT
AsterixLe Gall: GET THE HELL IS OFF MUH SET
AsterixLe Gall: AM FULLY CAPABLE IS OF LIKE FILMING
AsterixLe Gall: DO UNDERSTAND ?
Fox Diller: Yes.
SLBC Neurocam: fine, then we'll go... I'm not sure we really want to be bashed whenwe're airing your stuff live
AsterixLe Gall: NO MORE GOD DAMN SUBTITLES
AsterixLe Gall: right
AsterixLe Gall: sorry mans
AsterixLe Gall: that was really start to piss off fottsy
You: didn't see it
AsterixLe Gall: yuh is cant cos is wrong side of is camera
AsterixLe Gall: yuh
AsterixLe Gall: hey mans
You: it's hard to do things in here without griefing
AsterixLe Gall: gonna ask the usual final 3 questions now
AsterixLe Gall: yuh is say again man
You: I think that's one of the reasons why we didn't have an open meeting as such
AsterixLe Gall: n when is like independant only is like no griefing
You: but it was covered by the press anyway
You: you cannot keep the press out in SL
You: and I'm all for the press
AsterixLe Gall: is like only gweefing dummies is come tonite
You: I work freelance for the Herald myself
AsterixLe Gall: cools mans
You: yeah well I get really tired of it
You: it's hard to function
AsterixLe Gall: top quality rag mans, is read now n again
AsterixLe Gall: yuh
Twiggy Lawson: You function just well with me Prokofy
You: it's partly the Lindens could never see their way clear to dissseminate some culture of better behaviour
AsterixLe Gall: i see is use that now for is like instead of forums yuh
AsterixLe Gall: yuh well is all just stupid for dummies
AsterixLe Gall: like is do stupid chit
You: Hi Twiggy
AsterixLe Gall: when fottsy is like doing enuff stupid shit already
You: how's the trailer biz
Twiggy Lawson: Hi Baby!!!
AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahahah
AsterixLe Gall: lol
Twiggy Lawson: got out of it
You: wow this is like Oprha
AsterixLe Gall: like talk in foxese like a stupid futts for starters
AsterixLe Gall: lol
You: it has an an audience
AsterixLe Gall: cept oprah is crap
You: let them ask some questions fox dude
AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahaha
AsterixLe Gall: yuh
AsterixLe Gall: good ideas man
You: yeah I left the sleezy too but I couldn't spend the time there
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AsterixLe Gall: lets has 3 questions from audience
You: I loved that place but too busy
AsterixLe Gall: n then i is got 3 questions
AsterixLe Gall: yuh
AsterixLe Gall: who first ?
You: wow Rosa Parks
You: great name for an av
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Rosa Parks: thank you
You: I'll bet not one in ten even recognize the name? or do they?
Rosa Parks: not very many comment on it
AsterixLe Gall: hey man if they dun
AsterixLe Gall: it cool
AsterixLe Gall: cos is got 3
AsterixLe Gall: easy ones yuh
Rosa Parks: i think your percentage guess is accurate
You: ok questions?
You: well shoot Ast
AsterixLe Gall: yuh m a have a quick nuzzle in like crotch
AsterixLe Gall: whilst is like wait for q's
AsterixLe Gall: they duns now man ?
You: dunno
You: gals?
AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahaha bunts of dummies
AsterixLe Gall: otays man
AsterixLe Gall: futs em
AsterixLe Gall: is like 3 q's what is get asked to like all guests man
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AsterixLe Gall: first one is
AsterixLe Gall: what is coolest thing is seed in SL ?
You: Hmmm
Rosa Parks: Sleezywood!!!
You: There are so many cool things I want to think for a moment.
Rosa Parks: The brothel in Sleezywood!!!
You: I guess I would say the build that Foolish Frost did for me in FREE TIBET
Twiggy Lawson: Rosa Shut the FUCK UP
You: it is a fusion of East and West Asian stuff -- a spa, waterfalls, lodge, cabin
Rosa Parks: You shut up ho!!
AsterixLe Gall: was cools then yuh ?
You: it's just awesome to me
Twiggy Lawson: I'll come over there and kick your ASS
You: but there are things like the Tubes of Saturn in Tethys the Lindens made
AsterixLe Gall: mind if is drop by and takes look later mans ?
Rosa Parks: Like last time? I wooped you good
You: or the Volcano they used to have
You: sure thing
You: it's in Wakeley outside of the Wixom telehub a bit
You: or like the island called Barbados
Twiggy Lawson: And stay off my BF's
You: Tyra Valkyrie's island with builds and stuff to do
Rosa Parks: He's cute -- did you really give him a BJ??
AsterixLe Gall: ahahahaha is thought you is said BASTADOS for a minute
AsterixLe Gall: ahahahahahahaha lol
You: or like this brand-new builder Desmon Shang just made these builds to rez out of a rock
You: Barbados lol
You: I just seel cool things all day long
You: I'm going to start up my Top Picks again on Ross
AsterixLe Gall: oh chit
You: I had them all saved up they're hard to keep picking so many!
AsterixLe Gall: sorry SLTV
AsterixLe Gall: well is good list there
AsterixLe Gall: for like new SLers to go and is loook at for sure mans
AsterixLe Gall: get your botties on down there FANZ !!!!!
AsterixLe Gall: otays is like
AsterixLe Gall: next one is
AsterixLe Gall: of all stuff in SL
AsterixLe Gall: what most STUPIDEST fing is of all ?
You: I'm afraid the first thing that comes to mind is that Linden cabin in the atoll sims
AsterixLe Gall: Linden cabin ?
You: it knocks your around inside, you can't see when you walk in the door
AsterixLe Gall: lol
AsterixLe Gall: poor build yuh ?
You: you wonder why would they make all these cabins and have them not work?
You: but that's just not the stupidest maybe
AsterixLe Gall: lol
You: I guess the stupidest thing I find in the game itself
You: every time you try to edit something
AsterixLe Gall: i is has to go up for take snapshots now for site for sure
AsterixLe Gall: yuh yuh
You: it rocks your whole av into seeing way above the roof
You: so you can't see the thing y ou're editing
You: now what's up with that?
AsterixLe Gall: yeah mans that pisses me off to
AsterixLe Gall: specially is when just got new prims with me L$50 pckets money
AsterixLe Gall: n then is like making different size
AsterixLe Gall: and is cant see them
AsterixLe Gall: n then
AsterixLe Gall: is like move them with arrow
AsterixLe Gall: n is like go weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
AsterixLe Gall: and like disappear is off screen
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The Infohubs and the Telehubs

All of a sudden, the Lindens have put Torley on the job of pimping the Infohubs. These desolate, forlorn places with their ominously cheery hippo art have been collecting at most 40 traffic points a day.  The Lindens stuck them in the list of places and made them collect traffic (to see how they were doing) which means, among other things, they are diluting the whole traffic/dwell/dwellopers' award thingie in its last agonizing month.

I've camped the Infohubs now and then, as I have malls near them, and I see that no one ever comes, except sometimes the stray newbie collecting some freebies, or oldbie seeing if in fact there is anything that could be done with these blank, boring, federal spaces that have the blank, boring, federal look of all federal spaces.

Long ago, before these hippos ate my telehub and my business, I suggested that the businesses who owned the land around the telehub areas being converted to infohubs should be encouraged to form Business Improvement Districts. Those who succeeded in collaborating and making an association would be deeded the space for the group much like group deeds are given on private islands -- without the ability to sell the land. They would then frankly put their own advertising, events board, quest games -- whatever -- probably within some sort of limits, i.e. they might have been kept PG and free of casinos and camp chairs, but advertising would be frankly and firmly admitted as necessary in the world of horribly limited advertising capacity, a huge anti-business climate, and the only visible ad in game that of a land extortionist and political opportunist named Lazarus Divine.

I did IM a few business owners on various sims to see if they'd be interested in forming such Business Improvement Districts to try to save the telehub areas and make these proposals to the Lindens. Most people had only one concept in mind -- either to bail out of their business, which was now failing, or to try to get into the telehub buyback program, get some cash, cash it out, and go get an island to have a safer business, not only free from griefing and ugly builds, but safe from the endless Linden tinkering to the society which often occurs on the backs of people on the mainland and their properties. Who can blame them?

In my experience, unless you have a group behind your back already having created and done something, it's foolish to go clamour to the Lindens to do something like open up some of their Infohubs to a Business Improvement District concept. Still, it could be debated. Who, but the businesses in the area, are going to be more motivated and more interested in working for free? Of course, the anti-business gang on the forums, a determined and vicious minority, will try to kill this idea as being all about "helping barons blah blah". But of course, it merely helps the middle class because the barons don't need Infohubs, they have their hundreds of sims to sell and rent and their own worlds and "infohubs" to maintain.

Indeed, when Robin Linden said we should generate ideas about what to do with the Infohubs, and reiterated this, I had to say that their deadlines were, as usual, far too killer (it was like 6-7 days, and no one had any time to prepare something unless they already had stuff in inventory to plunk down or were part of the usual contest-winning group mafias). Not being a builder or scripter myself, I could commission something, as I've done for my own properties, but then I had to pause: why am I paying to put content, time, treasure, and talent on to Governor Linden's property, and giving him dwell?

I have my own properties to put time, talent, and treasure in and get traffic to, without having to feed the Lindens' lame effort to create "federal spaces".

If we had a real "federal government" and for that matter, a parliament and independent judiciary, I might be willing to put "volunteer work" forward to help "the community". But...I already help the community with lots of subsidized stuff, philanthropy, and low-cost rentals -- and in the face of constant government destruction of business through killing the GOM, land-glutting, removing the telehubs precipitously, and a score of other bad policies. Why should I be stepping up to "help my country" when I don't even have a country?

When I see that Torley Linden is "helpfully" proposing that these Infohubs even be rented out FOR FREE to "homes and business" I can only go into a fury, figuratively speaking (of course, it's only a game, duh). I can only shrug, and write to Torley and complain bitterly. Of course, the classic act of a disgruntled land developer is to "tier down in protest" and they think the Lindens are going to notice this "huge hemorrhage" of their bottom line *cough*. But, as Kenny Linden once crystallized it perfectly, "There's always another guy to buy the island. Do you want me to help you tier down?" That's the bottom-line attitude of the Lindens, and their attitudes to their own "Your World, Your Imagination" stuff. Sure, have that -- and have "Your Own Tier Bill" too. But then...they reserve the right to compete directly with you.

Do you know why I tiered down two sims this fall after they announced not only p2p, but newbie housing and combat sims and instructional spaces? Because telehub malls are one thing that I could count on to generate some income to more than pay for themselves, because people really did come to them and really shopped at them, duh. I know that runs against the received wisdom. I didn't chisel rent, I provided low-cost rent, but I could still hope that would cover some other aspects of my business that I wanted to be loss-leaders or subsidized to build communities. If I already had a combat sim, opened up to the public for free and only asking donations, if I already had several newbie communities with dozens of spots for only $50/week, if I already had free vending areas, if I already had free instructional and meeting spaces or asked a nominal $100 if you were a business, then why would I encourage the Lindens to offer the same? If they begin using their considerably greater advertising and building clout (with FIC help) to put out the same kind of content -- combat sims, instructional spaces, newbie housing) -- why should I be harming myself and helping them to yet again vamp their own stuff and the stuff of their pets? Why????

Writing to the Lindens, asking them why they were doing this, urging them not to do this because I and actually many other people ALREADY provide instructional space, sandboxes, newbie housing (even free housing), etc. -- it produced a deafening silence.

Because as we can now see from Daniel Linden, the Lindens conceive of the mainland as Governor Linden's Estate. They want to run it and make it perfect. They want it to show off their game. They don't want players' content crapping up the view and harming their PR. That is -- and this is really a hysterical conundrum and a contradiction -- on the one hand, they want to have as little control over content and "creativity" as possible so as to lure in content creators with the illusion of freedom, and they don't mind then if whole swathes become Purina and go to the dogs. They won't even do a modicum of even the most basic TOS enforcement. But on the other hand...they want to control it harshly to make parts of it "look good" for the media and new customers and outside analysts (including, I imagine, analysts from other game or computing companies that are eyeing the whole prize to buy it up wholesale and run it themselves, keeping the Lindens as a kind of Maxis to EA.com to continue to provide "creative ideas" etc.) So...they want to control things like combat, instruction, and newbies because that's how they influence the most active and the most new members of society, to mold them into their vision. They don't want to let that go because it would mean letting go of their ascribed Better World mission. That other people might have something roughly similar to their Better World concept in also subsidizing newbies, instruction, and combat doesn't matter. THEY want the control over it.

You could posit a concept of a federal government that would maintain public spaces -- roads, easements, free vending areas, information areas, combat areas, instructional spaces, newbie communities. Many well-meaning tekkie wikinistas imagine this is a good thing, and the thing they imagine MOST about it is a very visible and vaunted role of THEMSELVES taking part in this great Wiki in the Sky and having their scripted or built thingie prominently featured as "helping the community".

But what in reality happens with totally federally-run and chaibolist/crony capitalist type public spaces, that don't have the partnership of real authentic small/medium/big business, is something much less appetizing. This would be a rough analogy to a very socialist-minded and social-engineering society, something like the Soviet Union which used to create vast parks for the People, huge Palaces of Culture, gigantic Sports Stadiums, giant Prospekts or avenues for people to parade up and down (they didn't use to have many cars of their own) -- all built in the Stalinist Gothic mold to overawe the lowly citizen and make him realize the power of the State. The vision wasn't that different from the Tsarist-era estates where one wealthy landowner would build a huge mansion or dacha in the country for himself, and have lots of cottages for the serfs, and then have various entertainments for them, ranging from pubs, folk dancing, to magic light lantern shows.

It's not enough that the Lindens have their phalanxes of Helpers, Mentors, Greeters, etc. to sequester and filter the newbies on Help Island and stream them to their own content and their own commerce circles to buy their content -- sometimes directly out of stores right on Help Island.  They also want the mainland to be something where they can infiltrate their presence everywhere.

And frankly, life on the Grid is about choices. Would I rather have the bland federal government with its warmed over 70s liberalism and lefty Better World concepts run the public spaces? Or would I rather have the Goreans or Clubb Lagg run the public spaces? Like I said, life is about choices...

You would think these Lindens had enough to do with there tiny staff of 80 covering these 2000 servers -- just making the servers work right and policing griefing might keep them more than busy. But they always aspire for more -- especially that visible "more" that they can get out of maintaining combat sims, instructional spaces, etc.

I'm trying to reflect on this from all angles. On the one hand, I'm something of a federalist (at least when it comes to a Russia-like or Yugoslavia-like situation) at least having centralized human rights and economic standards and transparency to prevent local abuses and corruption. I think a Linden federal government is a good thing. I'd rather, of course, if we have to have a government, that it be a more normal affair of three branches with their famous checks and balances. But I realize Tsar Lindenoff is not going to let go of the Estate any time soon, and if he does, it will only be to create the Soviet Union with all its All-Union Enterprises run out of the Central Committee. So probably the only hope to break up this coffee klutch of theirs is to have lots of local communities that defy federal intrusion on certain freedoms, even as they allow federal power to ensure certain standards -- for example, I think many of us could agree that there shouldn't be sims where people are griefed on the basis of race, sex, creed, political belief, etc. However, given that some "role-playing" communities actually seek these "local standards" the Lindens are about to face squaring some really nasty circles on this -- another blog topic.

It's funny that after nearly three years of sandboxing, laughing and peeking through their fingers as they watch script kiddies go about crashing the grid for fun, making socialist hippie communes, and a flurry of Hippo statues, the Lindens are finally settling down and saying, gosh, gee, we need a public commons...like the Boston Commons!

And again, I'm torn between saying, ok, good, that's a great, uniform, federalizing activity that I welcome and wish to help, and condemning it as the usual intrusive, annoying, competition to their own residents. It's because of the way they are going about it, as usual.

Of course other people long ago realized this need, and just put it in their own communities. Most big neighbourhood projects, whether a Lusk or a Neualtenberg or a Slate, have public areas for meeting. I knock myself out to put them in every one of my communities -- and of course it's just empty space I tier, out of which I can sometimes get extra prims to sell, but which normally goes to waste....except when it doesn't, which to me, is one of the most fascinating aspects of the SL adventure, to see what works and doesn't work to bring people to public spaces.

Maintaining a roster of several dozen public spaces and the SL Public Land Preserve, I could write a book about what people do in public spaces. Maybe I will some day. One of the highlights of my day is to turn on the game and do a search under these properties and see what people did on them the previous day. Sometimes they build something interesting and lasting and sell it. Othertimes they fire-prim bomb it. Sometimes they fall in love. Sometimes they come to hate each other and ask me to ban all of each other from each others' properties. Here's the short form:

o People don't gather on public spaces that you call "public spaces" and put park benches on. They run from them like from fire. I mean, who wants to sit on a boring fucking stone bark bench made out of municipal cement? Jesus H. Christ, this is Second Life, not First Life. If I'm going to sit, I want to sit on something that is far more compelling.

o Nevertheless, because some people do use their First Life memes and look around for FAQs and things like newbie housing listings and free prefabs and suggestion boxes and the Metaverse Messenger and SL Herald boxes, it's a good idea to clump these together in a little area around benches or something that says "public commons" about it. It's a shame that the one freebie municipal-looking park bench is so high-prim, but there it is, putting out other kinds of benches doesn't send the message.

o A Sandbox is probably the thing most likely to get high traffic. People even outside the community looking for a quiet place to build without shooters and assholes that you constantly find in these big Linden-sponsored sandboxes will come to those neighbourhood sandboxes -- Obscure Sandbox gets huge traffic, as does Anshe's Mature Sandbox, and at my level, my smaller sandboxes in Columbia, Hartwick, Tuliptree all get good traffic.

o Other kinds of activities are also good to have. I have a variety of things for people to click on:  wishing wells, Tarot, information about the game, housing/renting/buying land info, fish to feed or watch, eating animations at tables, games like Skeeball, barrel racing, woods and builds to explore, treasure hunts, news to read and links to newspapers, the SLExchange and Ginko terminals, etc. etc. I WANT NONE OF THESE ON INFOHUB LAND BECAUSE I WANT THEM TO BE ON MY LAND TO DRAW TRAFFIC, DUH, AND SO DOES EVERYBODY ELSE IN BUSINESS.

o Regularly scheduled events are also a must. People will come to an area regularly if they know there is always an event there. In fact, some of them will even log in there regularly and hang out, or stay after the event.

o As much as the forumerati sneer at them, realistic things like eating animations, builds that actually look like pubs or houses or temples or churches, etc. make people feel comfortable and they come to them. There are some who like the theory of a modern, sharp-edged, geometric, complicated structure in this world and think avatars should be forced to like it. That's the theory behind the public toilets of white porcelain that Adam Zaius makes for the instructional spaces and the recruiting center for the Lindens when he "wins" the contests they have. But all you have to do is look at these spaces when there is no Philip Linden or Hamlet Linden in them: they are starkly empty. No one will go to these places unless chloriformed or frog-marched under armed guard if there are no Lindens in them.

o As the New York City Police discovered in trying to curb panhandling and drugs in Penn Station and Grand Central Station, music can play a huge role. They put on classical music in Penn Station, and the druggies scattered -- it drove them nuts. Meanwhile, the middle class appeared and began to linger longer over their Annie's Pretzels and lemonade. I recently discovered that one of the reasons one of my public spaces never had people on it was because it had rave/trance on -- I simply shut it off and more people came with no music than if I had tried to put on more crowd-pleasing music. The people who re-did Bryant Park made these discoveries too -- they put in lots of activities like chamber orchestras on the street or jazz at lunchtime, book stalls, latte stalls, etc. Lefties might snark about "gentrification" but people get damn sick of picking their way past hypodermic needles and people trying to hawk weed and chicks at them as they try to get to work. 

o  If anything, Bryant Park has TOO much in it, and that's one of the things to think of -- how to leave enough of a blank slate for people to put stuff out on themselves. What I've discovered, which mystifies me, is that you can have an elaborate build, with various interactive clicks, and people ignore it, and stand around a relatively empty place just starting at a fish stick waiting to see if a fish will come. It all depends on whether the other people they are with are their friends already and they like them. Friends will stand around on a flat plain with a rock; strangers might require more interactivity and visuals so the right mix has to be found.

Accordingly, the Linden infohubs should have room, space, rezzing ability, some free content, some information, and then go away and leave us alone.

If they can't provide a long enough time-table, and a free enough environment for actual businesses to take on these areas as Business Improvement Districts that put in content in exchange for advertising, then they should make sure that they provide just the minimum, and don't compete.

Many people have gone to a huge amount of trouble to create gathering spaces of all kinds -- and I don't mean the top laggy clubs with their raucous music, scantily-clad avatars, money balls, camp chairs, and vacant zombies either AFK or in cyber chat. I mean the literally hundreds of nice neighbourhood pubs, meeting places, coffee shops, garden cafes, jazz clubs, plazas, group seating, large homes open to the public, etc. etc. I've got dozens of these in my communities, but I'm not tooting my own horn. I see many people, especially newer people, making entire sims that have housing, shopping, clubs and public space all conceived in them as one whole. I can think of Motor City, with its tire swing, freebies, cars, and Tringo all rather nicely arranged. Or the new garden cafe in Grace, which is really turning out to be a great sim as it stabilizes away from malls set down on cheap PG land, mafias (ditto) firebombing the place etc. and now as St. Paul's Cathedral nears completion, the rentals can fill up as all the firebombers ebb away, people begin to buy in the area to put out homes and lower-impact stores, etc. It's a great thing to see, one of the greatest things about the mainland -- if only the Lindens don't kill it!

There are numerous pubs all over of the very nicest type with friendly, local people, genuine friendships, not that laggy/forced/cybery feeling that giant hypey clubs have. These are in the Elfen lands, in Ansheland, but also places like the Creative Commons fund-raiser held over this weekend. There's the club for business people that Hailly arranges on a regular schedule -- there are actually dozens of art galleries now in SL (come to Society for Virtual Architecture in Ak'sha and get the list of them to explore). SL is settling down, becoming more middle class -- and that's a good thing, as it gets away from the extremes of basic account poverty which leads in some percentage of cases to griefing, clubbing, and instability and bulk discount wealth, which leads to a feeling that only a few oligarchs own the world. The middle class is what actually helps SL become more creative and diverse and have a lot more granularity and less extremes in it.

All of this the Lindens will kill, once again, with their lefty social engineering if they start offering InfoHub spaces as fancier builds that are "rented out to houses and businesses". Houses and businesses already pay the Lindens tier, for God's sake, and the people paying that tier are desperate to get tier, traffic, business, and if nothing else, fine fellowship on their lands. Let them, and get out of their way. Don't try to provide a substitute for that.

Given that the Lindens are bound and determined to monkey with public spaces in SL, however, and can't seem to let residents themselves take care of this, we can only try to curb their excesses. I think the bare minimum is that all of us in the land development business and many people who just run their own clubs, pubs, galleries, meeting places, etc. have to object strongly and loudly to the Lindens getting into the meeting place business -- they merely draw traffic away from residents. They simply MUST NOT rent out these spaces for free or for pay, and get out of the rentals business entirely. These spaces must enhance business by providing more advertising capacity, links to other builds/spaces/activities run by residents, etc.

The single greatest recommendation I can give for these Infohubs is to have fairly large, rotating, payable billboards on them for people to advertise THEIR OWN businesses, services, and gathering spaces. Currently, the telehub-ad format really sucks. It's hard to maneuver, there isn't enough time to put both the card and the texture in, you have to know to hit "control-mouseclick" to drop the texture -- otherwise you see a "lock" icon (it never tells you that, and many go away frustrated) and it just isn't visible enough -- only one person's ad can be visible at a time. The Lindens and their FIC friends simply have to get over their fastidiousness about large see-at-a-glance billboards that might have one big add or 10 smaller ads stretched across to see all at once.

I'm amazed that a billboard I have like this at Pharos with clickable pieces to get a link to go and explore something else actually gets traffic on it, even if in the low double digits. That means if I put more effort into refreshing it and putting events on it I would get more -- without even doing a thing, just putting it there, it gets traffic.

Real people in the real world look at, and use, billboards. They don't like them in their view, in their water, in their forest at home, like this awful Lazarus and Mr. Lee stuff. The Lindens need to get rid of that and enforce their own TOS. But they COULD be putting in large billboards in public spaces. Absolutely. Could and should. The traffic and usage they will get on these billboards should put paid to the minority of forums FICers howling. I wish they would do this. Active Worlds has this when you land, as do other worlds. It's just normal. It's what you have in a normal world when you aren't hobbled by lefty social engineering design concepts where you imagine that people are going to genteely dress up in tuxes, congregate on a lawn like Apres Midi Sur L'Herbe, spot a tiny engraved placard of less than a meter in size advertising a rousing study of 18th-Century Poetry, and click on it and congregate and traffic up a storm.

The Infohubs need to have the monopoly of InfoNet ended. All residents with daily/weekly news services should be encouraged to put their newspaper kiosks/terminals in a "free press" corner the way New York City allows the free press to be put in boxes on street corners.  A very light touch should be used on this free press -- it should not be censored, nor should the Lindens, under the guise of refraining from interference in fact merely let a fake public-interest entity like InfoNet, which has a very determined agenda and bias, dominate the public airwaves.

The Infohubs should also have rezzing in all of the areas, so that people can put stuff out. It can be put on 30 or 60 minutes autoreturn, but the thing most people do when they meet is show their acquisitions or creations, so that should be accommodated.

The Lindens should stop listening to all their screaming Mentors and allow newbies to rez in the Info areas. Let these lazy and feted Mentors stir their stumps to come and camp the few InfoHubs where the newbies will spawn. Mentors object that having newbies rez all over the place will make it "too difficult" to collect them all in a herd and indoctrinate them. Well, the whole concept of having newbies spawn in infohubs is to allow those of us who still have land near the old telehubs, and still run businesses, residential areas, and public spaces, to informally help these newbies and provide something for them to do. The world is too big and growing too fast to leave all the newbie stuff to this official phalanx -- which, of course contains some real bad eggs in it and is corrupt at root as a system in any event.

I imagine there aren't a lot of businesses left around the telehubs, but there are some. Of course, a real hoax was perpetrated on the Lindens. Some big barons who had telehub land clearly and unmistably purchased before August 1, 2005, which was their deadline for the telehub buyback offer, managed to sell the land to themselves or reparcel, thereby technically changing the date on the land, and then get the buyback from the Lindens. Shame on them, and shame on Lindens for being so obtuse as to not see this. One of the side effects of this bilk is that it tied up all that land for weeks in Linden hands and they are only slowly going to get it up on the auction. While they claimed they sell it for Lindens to help soak up the inflationary Lindens they just pumped into the system with their telehub buyback, in fact, they've been selling some of these old telehub parcels for dollars. Oh, well, the Lindens always do what is in their interests. It was in their interest to look the other way on these fake dates so that those barons could get the cash to buy their new bulk-auction sim areas. Basically, the Lindens just want a way to get the population controlled better, to make the green dots siphon off to newer servers and private islands and bulk areas where land barons and their staff do the work, so the Lindens don't have to.

I should point out that business is just starting to pick up after the horrible blow of the p2p, telehub buybacks, and then bulkauction sims. Business -- and the Linden rate -- might just pick up and stabilize IF THE LINDENS DON'T DO ANY MAJOR THING TO MESS IT UP AGAIN. Of course, their "reform" of the group tools, if done badly and implemented hastily, might be just that sort of thing that might mess stuff up badly. The world seems to have an incredible resourcefulness about bouncing back from all their deadly cuts and destructive changes. Free economies are like that! Now, when they remove Dwellopers in March, there will be an immediate impact felt. Therefore I hope they have the good sense not to introduce any other horrible change in March TOO to really deliver the dealth blow to clubs and other businesses.

Honestly, I really wish the Lindens would just GO AWAY and make the servers work and stop tinkering and doing social engineering.

I could spend another three hours "consulting for the Lindens for free" as Aspen urges me to do lol, but don't I have my own properties to run, where I need to develop and add content and "add value" on my own, especially since they compete with me at every turn? I don't mind competing with Anshe Chung or Hiro Queso, they come with the territory. I do mind competing with the Lindens, however, because they really do have an unfair advantage, not only by controlling MOTD, the forums, and other public media, but by having their phalanxes of free fanboyz and FIC to do all the work for them.

The InfoHubs, like all federal space in SL, will fill up with fanboyz and FIC. One could try to participate and stem this tide. I sat in at least one seemingly endless meeting of many hours as a group of land barons tried to figure out how to operate a quest, or some sort of newbie question answering station that would pay out for work in a way that camp chairs do not, and after lots of helpful suggestions were made, and lots of brains were wracked, people gave up. Because it just means yet again, spending, time, money, tier, and staff on doing something not for your own land, that has suffered huge losses with telehub borks, grey squares, GOM killing, the LinDEX falling, etc. but doing something for the Lindens -- not even the general public that you might conceive of as your customers in some fashion, directly or indirectly. You just don't find the motivation under these circumstances.

I can conclude by pointing out that the Lindens have far from analyzed or completed this very hasty and ill-advised transition from telehub to p2p. They have a hallucinatory concept that this is what people wanted and it was all good.

But..if things are so good, why is the Linden/dollar ratio so bad? It can't all be explained by telehub buy backs, referrals farming, or camp chairs.

When the GNP figure of the world changed from $40,000 to $150,000 or even $200,000 practically overnight with p2p, and yet the Linden/dollar ratio drastically dropped (now 50 cents lower than what it was for many months on GOM, i.e that $4.00 that Philip always said he would try to keep it at is now at $3.50), you just have to wonder what the hell is going on.

Of course, there's the land glut -- the Lindens just put out way too much land, but they do that because in fact, the old land on the mainland is pretty much all owned, even if that means people are waiting months and months to sell their land to get off it, or barons are spending months with it on their tier. As long as somebody owns it, even if the market is flat, it's no skin off theirs. They know the illusion of the "land is your blank canvas" is so strong that people will keep spending more and more to buy fresh fast mature up north or down south or in the northeast or southeast bulk sims just to get that "new sim smell" feeling with your avatar zooming around almost too fast from all that great FPS oxygen going to his head.

Of course, the Lindens could fix the LindEX up enormously by not having the worst possible sell-rate pop into your box automatically, so that everyone logging on sells at the worst possible rate (which makes it the buyers' market that the Lindens want it to be, of course, and benefits the Lindens). The limits on buys, i.e. the ability not to be force-fed a number, or not to have to go and study another screen but see the whole market in front of me as I figure out what my limit should be, would help the rate, as some people would realize they could put out better sell rates and wait even just a half day or a day to get that better rate on their sale.

But when I see a jump like $40,000 to $160,000, I know that what's really going on with p2p is that many content creators got the windfall of their dreams. Everyone is shopping more. It's not even p2p that works for you in terms of a map and this fake "exploration" that the Lindens still imagine people do (when in fact they face more ugly ban and bounce lines than they ever did since p2p).

What works is to press on somebody's picks or on the FIND  or the Classifieds ads and go right to the place. You can even click on a build, and while in edit mode, see the author's name, click on their name, see their picks, and p2p to their store to buy their prefab -- even with the object still in edit mode on the new sim you're on (I imagine some rubber bands snapping on servers somewhere with that practice, it can't be a good thing lol.)

And what are those content creators doing? Well, they are just cashing out. Obviously. That's what they do. Their sales were languishing for so long, they faced stiff competition from new people and telehub malls, so they just want to get "what's mine" now. They are cashing out, and playing WoW. They are not sinking money back into the economy in terms of new creations that they sustain by either sponsoring others to build or have jobs managing clubs, or sponsoring the arts, sponsoring contests, sponsoring builds even for commercial purposes, sponsoring scripting or creating any jobs or new opportunities whatsoever.

We're seeing the obvious logical results of creator-fascism. Squeeze money out of consumers for expensive content...then take the money out of SL, i.e. not put it back in through investment into commissioned builds, commissioned scripts, contest money, grant money -- money of any kind that goes beyond oneself.

This kind of selfish activity is "normal" and to be expected in a slash-and-burn capitalist society. You could try to appeal to the social responsibility of some of these creator-fascists who just believe in creating content, cashing out, and blaming newbies for not learning how to create content to get along in the world -- and after they're done humiliating them in that way on the forums, expecting them to go buy dollars on the LindEx and buy the creator-fascist content. And they're right. Most humiliated people do exactly that LOL.

BTW, Anshe is one of the people who doesn't do this "taking out of SL" stuff. She is constantly investing back into the community -- but the community by her lights. That is, she buys more sims and terraforms them and makes themed communities on the people's demand. If they want sandy beaches, she gets it for them. She also sinks a certain amount of money into builds, public spaces like Central Park, organized vending like the Plush sims, etc. etc. Her money stays in SL and grows her businesss and it's a tide raising other boats who are the people who get jobs within her system, or simply move their and have residences and stores and an improved life.

There's also the conspicuous consumption nouveaus that Desmond Shang has talked about, the "rich as God" type people who have thousands of RL dollars to blow on land, houses, and bling. I see these people all the time as tenants -- and God bless them. They are engines of the economy and great for business. They create jobs and a need for content and services and they are the backbone of the middle class. In many cases, they aren't just the "filthy rich" living off LindEx purchased dollars, they are people who started small and worked their way up through a huge amount of effort to make stores and content, and then at a certain point, they want to retire -- or at least spend some free time on-- a private island with a huge, expensive mansion. Whatever guffawing the anarchist basics and leftoid snotty architecterati might do over these nouveau riche types and their taste, they are keeping less snarky and less fussy architects and builders in US dollars enough to even pay their RL bills--and God bless 'em -- we can only hope this is another thing the Lindens won't kill somehow.

There's one thing the Lindens could still do to fix the telehub/infohub disaster,which I continue to view as an unnecessary disaster. They could end the 128/128 lottery. This lottery was won by anybody smart enough, or accidental enough, to have purchased the land at 128/128 on any sim.

That means whenever I type 128/128 for Columbia or Hartwick or Alston, I land in people's stores. Worses than any fighting-my-way-out experience at the old telehubs, if I don't feel like pulling out the map, waiting for it to rez correctly, peering at it, finding an empty spot to teleport to and hope it is updated enough not to port me to water or a wall (and this is 90 percent of all people who have this experience), I type the name in of course. I land and fight my way out of these stores, possibly even stopping to buy in them.

I think it might be a good idea to remove the 128/128 landing concept, and have all type-ins make you arrive at the Infohub for that region. Why not? You will then have to fly the rest of the way to your destination. You won't face the same laggy malls, of course, but you will have to fly. Still, you won't be FORCED to fly that distance or land in that Infohub -- if you want to go to the trouble you can either a) look on the map and pinpoint teleport or b) do a FIND and pull up the ad on FIND or Classifieds and pinpoint by pressing the teleport bar.

Ending the 128/128 unfair and unplanned lottery could be done at the very least for former telehub sims, to make people land in the inforhubs. Ideally, they'd be for all sims. That will "force traffic" to infohubs -- but it will be the traffic only of those who typed names in a list.

It's not a perfect idea, because some people would rather type in a name and land in the water in the sim they need, than have to land 1000 meters from it. Still, it's worth considering as a necessary and doable corrective to the utter devastation of the transportation system they had.

January 28, 2006

Tracking

The asylum has been handed to the inmates to run with the new resmod system enabling residents -- a hand-picked FIC list if there ever was one! -- to run the asylum -- the raucious, vicious, vituperative, imbalanced, non-TOS enforced forums of SL.

Some Lindens, including even El Presidente himself, are said to want to shut the forums down completely and leave only the Linden announcements and classifieds. Perhaps they ought to consider shutting down "General" until they can get the right policy going to address it. I think a paid, benefited, salaried, full-time professional employee should run the forums, not harried office staff pulled in hundreds of directions, especially when one of those directions includes running another suspect overlord system called the Mentors, Greeters, Helpers, Instructors. It's just too many conflicts of interest.

Instead, without the budget or the time to focus on this, LL is putting the badly-messed-up forums, with their outrageous lack of fairness and their horrid impunity for a hardy hardcore handful of mod friends and Linden pets, into the hands of...some of their best pets, either self-selected through volunteering, or through being picked by Jeska and other Lindens themselves. The mind boggles. In other words, the reward for your vicious posting, bullying, harassment, and general snarkiness is...to get to be in charge to give a pass on that same behaviour in others.

It's been funny to see people like Jeffrey Gomez, a forums favourite and *this close* to being FIC (he'd be FIC if he weren't critical of his game dev project meltdown on outside blogs...tsk, tsk, Jeffrey and you were *so close*!) -- fall all over themselves to explain that they didn't want this, don't need this, and if asked to serve, will decline.

A few days of having the inmates further run the asylum and even perform the lobotomies, removing threads, deleting threads, creating non-event and non-persons, and people are already screaming, especially some of the biggest bullies whose threads were always intended to reduce even new people to tears. But it's in part accidental.

Apparently some people posting meta-discussions are stickied -- an absolutely unprecedented practice in a world where stickies have always been the Linden province. And others are being put to off-topic. I can't see all of it, but I understand that even Cristiano is complaining.

What is most, hilarious, is that people are complaining about the resmods now having the names of those who abuse-report...and what they might do with that information. Gasp! They might go to third-party sites! Gasp!

Pendari is claiming that even if there isn't a TOS violation, if there are enough ARs, the Lindens must take action. (!) And therefore such information can't be publicized so that the outside word can't see the gang warfare and group-think on the SL forums. This is exactly what's wrong with the system -- execution by group-think.

I could remind everyone that this is EXACTLY what was done in my case: the Lindens themselves told me that it was not that I had violated the TOS, so much as that they had a storm of abuse reports -- "we have a riot on our hands" and they felt they had to "do something."

So sure, the power of only 20 people to be thorough-going assholes, hysteric drama queens, thin-skinned assholes, is enormous, because they can cook the books and sway the Lindens. And that's exactly what we've seen all along.

All of a sudden some of these self-same assholes, now at the switchboard and the control panel, see this assholery pouring in, and now those suddenly dependent on them imagine the assholery pouring in...and they get worried. They see how it works, and being not totally immune to reason, they wonder what the consequences are.

What if one of their number breaks ranks, and decides to go and tell tales out of school, to tell a story, for example, that when Cocoanut makes a perfectly reasonable and non-TOS-violating statement, that a slew of vicious fanboyz like Enabran or fangirlz like Pendar might well be deluging the mods with complaints, just because they don't like what is said.. not only about their own bad behaviour, but the system itself? One can well see that a harried mod or resmod, dealing with a deluge like that and unable to stand up to it by saying, "This isn't a TOS violation, get a life," moves a thread to off-topic or some other cornfield.

Many of the forum royals are complaining about this information about the AR reports now "getting out". They're fearful that some of this dirty little secret about the forums will now get out to the public. We'll be see that there really isn't moderation or TOS enforcement, but just squalid little squads of vicious fanboyz putting their pudgly little fingers on the AR button and squealing like little pigs.

We always KNEW that is how it works, and now we can see how the forum royals themselves are screeching at the thought that PROOF of it might somehow leak out.

Of course, people trust a system, and hope that when they file an abuse report, a Linden will sagely and impartially and dispassionately look at it, and not notice if there are 100 or 10 or 1 complaints, and deal with it "normally". But they don't. Not only because they are "only human" as some of them are quick to beg off, when you confront them with their persistent inconsistency but because five minutes ago, they were residents themselves with their little pals and biases.

Now, that phenom, already a problem within the Linden ranks, is deepended with the resmod system (like the infamous Stratics resmods), we can see just how problematic it is.

People are screaming about "privacy" now, worried their AR reports are going to "get out".

I, in fact, have responded to these persistent calls to publicize the names of perpetrators with my own call to publicize the name of abuse reporters -- exactly what's happening now as a dozen new resmods start to get a glimpse into this awful system and see all those who file ARs -- many of them specious and malicious. 

After all, a RL court of law or judicial proceeding would have the names of the plaintiff and the respondent, as well as prosecutor and judge, all known. Of course, in a vicious setting like certain Russian provinces, a judge attempting to try a case of a neo-Nazi who has stabbed or killed Jews of Tajiks might themselves be harmed or killed, along with those who gave testimony against the neo-Nazis and even their associates. This kind of evil system is one I know all too well, and in that setting, people begin to reach for solutions involving protected witnesses and anonymous testimomy and witness protection programs, etc.

But we don't need a witness protection program in SL, it's a game, and your RL information isn't known (or shouldn't be known.) Instezd, what all of us need is protection from YOUR vindictiveness in anonymously -- with impunity, without proper oversight, without transparency -- filing specious abuse-reports on others.

And speaking of how "they track you," Hiro, here's the link to the thread you claim is "deleted" as "all my threads are deleted".

http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=46370&page=1&pp=15

The name of the thread I started was "Insanity," and it addressed a threat sent to my email I used for the game from the apparent RL relative of a forums royal utterly immune to punishment for her evil deeds on the forums, whom I criticized, and who sent me a nasty threat claiming that all my IP information, email, weblogs, communications, blah blah blah were being turned over to the "FBI and the IRS" for "investigation."

Your mind has to absolutely boggle at someone who would go to the FBI (the IRS part is merely bewildering) and complain about somehow who..negrated them in a game on their avatar? For...their bullying behaviour and evil disclosure of first-life information on the forums? I'd love to have a nice long chat with Agent Smith about THAT one. "Um, well, see it's a game where you make characters...and then they have these forums...no, they aren't real...no, not real information, but the characters...no, it's a forums where you use just the avatars name...no, I didn't contact that person, I have no idea who they are and have no way of knowing...no, officer this is a GAME with AVATARS...etc." 

So in dealing with that completely untenable threat, which I immediately sent to LL (knowing they couldn't do much about it as it came to email essentially outside their purview), I felt that publicizing it, like I publicized Nolan's blackmail, might help dispel some of the sense of impunity and arbitrariness that people who do things like that feel in a game like this. They think they can engage in bad behaviour, and then if you call them on it, threaten you with prosecution.

I think it's very instructive to read back over this thread to see how people behave, how horrible they are, and how their bullying, sneering, and sniping are utterly beside the point.

http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=46370&page=1&pp=15

Here's the exact quote of what I wrote, Hiro, and others labouring under this zealous and hateful illusion that I have not only said something technically inept, but something libelous or something "for which I was banned" -- which indeed I was not (the date of this post was May 14):

"Good reason never to go to this untrustworthy site, people. They capture your IPS and try to use it to hone in on your place of business or residence in RL and to "track" you around the internet."

NOTE: this statement was said in the context of 1) an emailed threat from someone reigning supreme on the forums and on third-party sites harassing me 2) the presence of third-party sittes that did indeed track me and out me, even if not using technical tools to do so, thereby impugning their good will and the public trust.

1. First, get over yourself if you'd like to re-iterate the specious arguments that these thingies are called IPs (small "s" for the plural") and not "IPS" (Internet Service Provider) -- as I patiently explained, this error was not intentional, I fully understand the difference, and I also pointed out for extra credit that people often mix up these terms, and refer to the one when they mean the other, and people accept that on tech help pages -- I reproduce it here merely to show how hordes of forums jackals can stampede off in a direction of slamming you for a mistake like that, and miss the glaring fact of one of their number stooping so low -- and so ridiculously -- as to try to threaten you with "contacting the FBI" which was the CONTEXT for this thread that everybody resurrecting it as "proof of how Prok libels businesses" utterly forgets.

2. Second, yes, they capture your IP address. That isn't disputed. Cristiano and others all say this, and indeed a blog site like this has the technology to capture the IPs. Can they use this to literally track you to your home using just that information? Well, of course not, and that issue is dissected and defended in the thread, but in fact using this information, matching it with others, they can and do track you -- and once the desire is there to track you, they don't even need an IP to go and fish out things you might have written somewhere else, then use the info of people of bad will to match it to your RL info, etc.

3. Third, the issue at hand then is how they use that information, and what is their intent, not merely the technical capacity of this or that literal machine tracking. Given that a third-party site prevails over the outing of RL information, the outing even of the wrong RL information such as to libel, and engages in repeated, vituperative personal attacks in violation of *what would be the TOS IF they were bound by it* I raise questions about whether they are adequate partners for the Lindens.

4. Again, to repeat: Fourth, the other issue at hand is not literally how you can track someone to their actual door -- I make that abundantly clear in that thread". It's how you can use the IP address as a marker, that will help you find other things -- a host of other things, especially when shared with other third-party sites in SL, who will likely have increasing powers with the integration of web-on-a-prim and the proliferation of more sites handling goods and services.

All the major companies can even get together and block someone they hate collectively from even being able to shop or rent a home in SL -- and if you doubt they'll do that, you haven't aquainted yourself with the viciousness and retaliation of people in SL. Example: Marcos Fonzarelli, who bans me not only from his home parcel in Boardman, though I've never dream of going inside his house, also bans me from his public, huge building ARMORD in Miramare, so that I cannot even take people like interested newbies on a tour of this site among other architectural wonders. I and my alts are banned of this property, not because I've done anything to this property, or attempted to grief it in any kind of way, or done anything like prim bomb or verbally harass or send dollar payments or any of the typical griefing techniques of SL, but merely because I wrote something critical not even of him, but of a class of people he is in called "The FIC". Imagine! That's how it works! And that's how it will go on working unless more people begin to wake up and object.

5. Once you have a person's URL, which many grab "normally" for services, with ill intent, you can track that IP itself to see if it "goes anywhere". Perhaps it might appear in some form on a work-related site, another game site, who knows? Use google and see what you come up with with reverse lookup like I tried with mine just now, that might just turn up a webpage or a help line or something somewhere, just like any google witch-hunt. Of course, you don't google it and come up instantly with a name and an address. That might take many more look-up and reverse look-up steps. But it is INFORMATION. And INFORMATION IS POWER.

Indeed, I first learned of this concept of the "untrustworthy site" that grabs your IP information so that you have to be concerned, from a former friend and preeminent tekkie wiki who first told me this concept in detail as it relates to games (I'd heard of it before but hadn't thought of its consequences) and learned from this consummate tekkie that the reason they didn't even visit and read the Herald was because of their persistent -- and tekkily informed belief-- that it wasn't trustworthy, i.e. it can and would grab your IP and store it and use it to ban you. So there!

I've found that people disagree about how much you can or cannot get out an IP, and what Internet Service Providers in fact will give up once they have this information, but when I see certain bad actors offering webhosting inside SL, I have to wonder how personal information will be used -- as any thinking person will.

And Hiro and other fanboyz, I wish to point out once again: this thread "Insanity" about the problem of tracking with IPs -- SOMETHING SOMEONE THREATENED ME WITH IN MY PERSONAL EMAIL DUH was allowed to run for a whopping TWENTY FIVE PAGES. I was treated to all manner of ridicule and harassment from raising this REAL PROBLEM OF TRACKING. No mod closed it because of what *I* wrote, initially, or in a few posts down from my original post -- that was ALWAYS the case BTW. They didn't send me ANY warning over this thread -- which they themselves allowed to run for TWENTY-FIVE PAGES. Finally, not Jeska, but Robin, the senior Linden in charge of community, closed it and said "this post seems to have degenerated to attacks". The attacks *were on me*. They were NOT ABOUT "my personal attacks on others" -- a constant misrepresentation of the facts.

The QUESTION I raised was LEGITIMATE. THE QUESTION I RAISED WAS ABOUT AN ASSHOLE THREATENING ME WITH TRACKING AND EVEN TURNING ME INTO THE FBI -- AN OUTRAGE. I was not warned, or banned over RAISING THIS QUESTION nor did LL accuse me of libel then, or when they banned me.

So please, get over yourself and stop misrepresenting the public record, there for all to see. Go read the thread, and realize how fucking ridiculous it is. I raised a problem for the community at large because of a direct threat to me in which a person claimed to use my IP and turn me into the FBI for utterly specious reasons. I also raised the problem of a third-party site that would out my RL and harass me with fake RL info and cause a storm of hatred on the forums.

And...why were they all doing this again, boys and girls? Because I questioned there continual bullying and harassment of others on the forums with impunity.

What's hilarious to me is how quickly these squealing fanboyz picked for the resmod tasks, and the forum royals now under their whip, are now suddenly screeching about "privacy" of their AR'ing information andthe fear of third-party sites and what they might do with it.

Yeah, be afraid, be very afraid!

Perhaps they fear, just to pick a fake resident name, that Vicious Backbite, will turn out to be the one behind 50 percent of all AR's, and once this information gets out, third-party sites will begin to dissect Vicious Backbite's motives, and why