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December 13, 2006

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Clay Shirky

Nathaniel, I'm not criticizing SL for anything of the sort.

Though part of Neva's post is about criticism of SL users and their in-world experiences and behaviors, the post notes that I said nothing about the in-world experience, nor do I pass judgment on its users. As I've said about SL in other forums, passionate users are rightly a law unto themselves, and nothing I could have said about them would have mattered, pro or con, so I said nothing.

The focus on criticisms I'm *not* making obscures the criticism I am making: LL is intentionally advertising misleading numbers. If it wants to be taken seriously when it talks about having residents instead of users, it needs to propose and produce some metric for residence, something it hasn't done.

The question that started that essay is this: how many actual SL users are there, counting users as people who find it engaging enough to return periodically? I didn't have an answer last week, and none of the figures on the stats page provide that number. I have to assume that at least some of the redirection to the straw man issue of 'Shirky is dissing SL users' is that the real question is uncomfortable to answer.

Prokofy Neva

Re: "LL is intentionally advertising misleading numbers. If it wants to be taken seriously when it talks about having residents instead of users, it needs to propose and produce some metric for residence, something it hasn't done."

This is not news to us,Clay. You're just tuning in. Have a bit of humbleness here. We've been harping about this for a year now. Where were you?! Read all our blogs and newspapers that ridicule the hype.

And you want metrics for measuring real growth? I've parsed them and justified what I'd use -- measurement of actual landowners/tier-payers here:
http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2006/12/what_is_the_tru.html

And provided my own business real numbers here:
http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2006/12/my_numbers.html

And my colleague at the Herald Urizenus Sklar has pilloried the fake 2 million here:
http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2006/12/2_million_resid.html

You seem to imply, no doubt based on games with game-gods and groups such as the groups you feel are their own worst enemy, that the core and the "right people" are one, united, synonomous.

But in fact there are many opposing forces, and many factions of residents, and it is a much more complex world than you might imagine.

We have an answer -- and we had it weeks ago: measure the actual log-ins every 4 hours, and keep your own records; measure the landowners; measure the profit-making avatars (they include content-creating non-land-owners), etc. The numbers aren't as dramatic; the do show growth.

There's nothing uncomfortable for *us* -- and I hope you are not ascribing this to the user base, all of whom are perfectly aware of the phony numbers as they know just how many alts they have.

And I'm not even certain there is for LL, but their statistics often seem to many to be squirrelly.

As for Cael, his masturbatory musings here are more evidence of why the geeks got to go. The sooner the better. Ugh.

blackbelt_jones

[quoue]This is not news to us,Clay. You're just tuning in. Have a bit of humbleness here. We've been harping about this for a year now. Where were you?! Read all our blogs and newspapers that ridicule the hype.[/end of quote]

And yet, the hype continues. In fact, it's getting louder and more prevlent than ever. It's always great to get a scoop, but as long as the hype persists, the hype still needs to be discussed, even if it's been discussed elsewhere already. A lot of us are just tuning in, and we need to be brought up to speed.

I didn't get too far in the article. I didn't like the personal tone of it. Basically, it was guilty of everything that Shirky was being accused of. It was whiny, and petulant and "snarky". It was like listening to Sean Hannity discuss Richard Clarke. Subsitute "geek" for "liberal", and there you are.

I'm beginning to wonder if the web isn't going to be the battleground for a whole new culture war.

Is html easier than Second Life? Well, yeah, at least in the most basic and important sense. The interface used to participate in the html-based web is called a web browser, and most web browsers are easier to operate than the interface that is needed to participate in Second Life. Most of us don't need to KNOW html in oder to USE html. The BROWSER knows html.


Prokofy Neva

We are not responsible for the hype.

The hype comes from a) LL marketing b) metaversal consulting firm PR and hypervent c) gullibility of the media not doing its homework.

Why are we, LL's greatest inworld critics, where it counts, to blame for hype?!

And my problem with Clay Shirky isn't about his very belated, and very superficial tackling of the numbers. That's useful, if limited because it's belated -- and snarky.

My problem is his refusal to get out of his MUD past and his Web 1.0 past and see that something else is happening here.

What it is, ain't exactly clear : )

And yes, the web will be a very worth battlefield for a very necessary battle with geeks who have ruled our lives for far too long -- and who are trying to take over virtuality, too.

Second Life is easier than making a website, not browsing a website -- and more interesting than watching TV and making a MySpace.

xian

why is this blog on typepad on the world wide web 1.0, shouldn't it be like a magic talking bird-familiar in SL or something?

Prokofy Neva

Because the magic talking bird is Prokofy, you can find him at the Sutherland Dam Club on Friday nights at 6 pm.

Prokofy Neva

BTW, people who do not post with Second Life names will be warned and then banned. That's why "blackjack" and others coming from Shirky's website are banned. This is to prevent the constant anonymous savage sniping from trolling fucks that is so common to SL.

If you don't want to have an SL avatar, fine, well, write on your own blog then.

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