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December 17, 2006

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Yumi Murakami

I can't see this being too effective. There are major difficulties involved in getting paid for things distributed this way.

Khamon

The Second Life Herald site isn't working for me.

Prokofy Neva

well it worked ok for Pixeleen? I mean? What are the major difficulties? lag between servers? if it can work from a third-party site, why not from a HUD?

I'm also still not getting the permissions-debited thing as

Anyway, I could be just drinking the Kool-Aid, but sometimes, somebody has to believe in what is possible or it will never be possible. I guess the ultimate to me is to be able to click on someone and get their clothes to buy. I find it a nuisance that even clothes I did buy, I can't identify who they were made by.

Prokofy Neva

Khamon, people complain constantly about that. It's a mystery as it has no bandwidth used up or anything anyone can tell about, Walker has been asked about it a million times. IE seems to deal less better than Firefox.

Frans Charming

Distribution like this isn't very new, but not done that much. The added update support does make it much more powerfull though.

The problem that i see with this setup for sales is that the owner have to give debit permissions to the machine every time they rez it. Otherwise the creator won't be paid. Now you can make it so, that if you don't give debit permission it can't be sold.

In a nutshell it won't be as easily transferable and viral as it is now.

But you can device other business models around a free item though. He could put a small advert signs on the sides of the vehicles. And sell/rent the advert space.

Or have this model as free, like it is. And make it possible to buy a more advanced version through the HUD. This also would need the debit permission, but you are more likely to give them when you need to do it if you want to buy something.


But don't get me wrong, it is a cool thing! =)

Frans Charming

Oh i see on SLHerald you already discussed to points. Just disregard them. ;)

Prokofy Neva

I thought the debit permissions was a function of having a money-taking object that provided refunds. Like a rento is paid, and then if the person refunds, it will draw back from my account.

Why can't you just take the blue screen generated by the debit permissions command, and have it say "Pay Creator $100" instead of "grant debit permissions" which scares people. This is a matter of merely changing the text of what is on there.

Please explain.

I think even without decals on the side, you can distribute some sort of item that becomes the loss leader.

I do think that more could be done to work out the purchasing.

Ace Albion

I'd have to see this inworld but I can't see a problem.

You click the thing, it gives you a widget (a HUD in this case). You attach/rez/whatever the widget, and that's scripted to say "let me pay Scripter Creator Guy X from your money?" and you agree, and click a buy button or something and some other inworld cube sends you a shiny bike like slex/slb does. Then you delete/forget the widget except to check for updates maybe.

It's like clicking on something and being given a notecard and landmark, but cutting out the "legwork" of going to the SLURL.

Ace Albion

Oh yes, Prokofy- that scary "this object wants permission to steal all your money" blue box is pretty unnerving even with things like vendors that you trust when you rez them.

Prokofy Neva

Yes, it always unnerves people, but I wonder if it really is about the copy itself -- if it had a more reassuring and normal message than "allow this object to take money" -- and if it say "pay creator $ from you account?" it would create a different psychology of use.

Yumi Murakami

You can't change what's written in the blue box because it's hard-wired into Second Life. Scripts can put up their own blue boxes, it's true, but if you want to be able to manipulate money from a script then there's one exact command you must use to ask for permission, and it always produces exactly the same blue box.

Timeless Prototype

Viral distribution like this is not new, check my comment about the Sound Cloud I made back in 24 Jan 2005.
http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2006/12/elemental_viral.html#comment-26709548

Prokofy Neva

We didn't say viral distribution is new, duh, and that has been made clear; it's viral distribution THIS WAY. You are just like FIC oldbies Cristiano, Timeless, in being unable to accept someone else coming along and doing it better. It's one of the nastiest things about SL, the creator-fascism and conservativism.

Timeless Prototype

Not at all, I like Kage and think the product rules. It's all about the ideas.

Joshua Nightshade

No Prok, you're one of the nastiest things about SL.

Ace Albion

Did anyone raise a suggestion with LL for a "Pay Avatar X L$YYY One time Yes/No?" kind of permissions function? That would open up all kinds of further uses for this stuff. Or maybe they'd rather everyone does it through slex/slb these days.

Prokofy Neva

>Or maybe they'd rather everyone does it through slex/slb these days.

Yeah, that could well be it.

Why not ask Cory Linden at the Town Hall tomorrow?

Khamon

I'm afeared to allow a script to pay money out of my account unless it's an alt account with a controlled amount of cash. Considering the hackability of LSL and the platform in general, it seems foolish to grant such a permission on my main.

Prokofy do your automated rental boxes operate on an alt that retains a limited amount of money? Or might a hacker one day walk away with a months worth of unconverted cash? The Lindens will not prosecute the offender or retrieve your funds. As far as they're concerned, such transactions are perfectly valid.

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