"You will probably be in jail for the next 3 to 6 years"

Recently, I logged on to find an annoying voting poll to bat out of the way by an idiot griefer. He had put up a notice in the group, asking as a prank vote, "Do my feet stink?" This sort of griefing is a nuisance, as it keeps repeating unless you vote, you vote or have to put it away until "later," and it keeps asking each person who logs on in the group for 7 days to "vote".

It is not clear when it first invades your screen what group it's from -- hence my mistake in thinking it was my group. I solved this problem by removing the ability to put up voting notices -- an option -- in land groups, but keeping it for social/discussion groups. It's a common form of griefing, and to avoid disturbing tenants, I remove this capacity.

Meanwhile, it developed that SL Business Communicators had enabled the proposal device -- that seems reasonable. I contacted the owner of the group to ask her to remove this dweeb -- she gave him a warning. Meanwhile, the usual litiginous nonsense begins....

(this fellow and Sven Johnson should team up and get a legal team working on how they can jail me for 3-6 years for non reporting a non-event with no evidence, and also report me for "libeling a company' which in fact isn't named anywhere in this chat log -- but don't let little details like that get in the way).

Prokofy Neva: My, aren't you the total dick with this kind of crap, " Stephen Arnold has proposed to vote in Second Life. Do my feet Stink? " -- that gets you a well-deserved place on the police blotter.
Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
Prokofy Neva: So much for being "a Christian".
Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
-- End of Log ---
Stephen Arnold: (Saved Sat Jun 02 11:16:44 2007) Excuse me Prokofy... I was bored, and I am a christian, how does saying "Do my Feet Smell?" make me a non christian. You just judged me... And I will not be the one on the Police Blotter, I would like you to appologize or I will be reporting you for predjudice
Prokofy Neva: You can report me all you like. I have *my own police blotter* and you will go on it. You joined my group not as a tenant, not to rent, but to grief it with a juvenile stunt, and that will be reported. You don't get to do shit like that. That shit repeats for 7 days to everyone logging in, and cannot be deleted or undone. You inconvenience nearly 650 people in a group with that crap. Shame on you. Learn to be a real Christian and stop being a juvenile delinquent.
Stephen Arnold: You are being reported to linden labs for indecency and intolerence... I may also feel like filing charges against you for slandering a registered company.
Stephen Arnold: Have a good day.
Prokofy Neva: report away, you'll be reported too
Prokofy Neva: you don't get to invade people's groups and invade their voting device when you aren't a tenant, and put up a prank vote disturbing 650 people
Stephen Arnold: And also to inform you, you are not an owner of SL Communicators Group,
Stephen Arnold: And you are also pretty stupid, because I did not post it on that group
Prokofy Neva: ANd? your point? I will contact SL Business Communicators and protest their keeping of you in their membership
Prokofy Neva: you posted it in MY group bud, and that's the problem here
Stephen Arnold: I can rejoin, it is an open group,
Prokofy Neva: and people who do shit like that get DETERRED
Prokofy Neva: so? that doesn't mean you abuse it
Stephen Arnold: I did not post it in your group
Prokofy Neva: and put up shit
Prokofy Neva: yes you did, I can see it on my own group
Stephen Arnold: Might I ask, what group are you the owner of... I only posted it on SL Business Communicators
Stephen Arnold: Which is not your group
Prokofy Neva: oh if that's the case, then I will protest to the owner of the group, it appeared to be in my rentals group
Prokofy Neva: you are still a DICK however, doing SHIT like that
Prokofy Neva: : )
Prokofy Neva: so i'll be sure to ask them to expel you
Prokofy Neva: they should have a policy on misuse of the voting system like that
Stephen Arnold: Now this is really funny, you where not paying attention. And now I am going to file charges against you in real life for slandering a registered company.
Prokofy Neva: Please do!
Stephen Arnold: I am contacting my Lawyer right now.
Prokofy Neva: because you are an ASSHOLE and need to be DETERRED
Prokofy Neva: go for it big guy!
Prokofy Neva: the more you carry on like that, the more you expose yourself as a weak dimwitted loser
Prokofy Neva: bullying people on line
Prokofy Neva: not a business communicator; some kid prankster or loser asshole in his mom's basement!
Prokofy Neva: go for it!
Stephen Arnold: Sir, how old are you? 13?
Prokofy Neva: Um, I'm 51
Stephen Arnold: Sir, stop saying "Go for it" because I am already on the phone with him right now.
Prokofy Neva: Go for it big guy!
Stephen Arnold: Sir, then if you are 51, you need to get a life and get off a virtual world
Stephen Arnold: You are not 51 years old, and I will also be filing an abuse report for Linden Labs to verify your age
Stephen Arnold: That is three things I am reporting you for.
Prokofy Neva: hahahahah go for it champ!
Prokofy Neva: I've asked the business communicators to expel you.
Prokofy Neva: for unethical practices.
Stephen Arnold: Wow, you are finally learning how to speak english, and now you are going to be banned from Second Life for good.
Prokofy Neva: BURSTS OUT LAUGHING
Stephen Arnold: Now, time to get a few screen shots
Prokofy Neva: I think you'll look good on my blog, too.
Stephen Arnold: Copy this chat,
Prokofy Neva: COPY COPY COPY COPY PASTE
Prokofy Neva: ALLOWED ON THIRD PARTY SITES
Prokofy Neva: BOO!
Prokofy Neva: Should I title this "The Dickwads of Second Life"?
Stephen Arnold: No, you know what. It would be easier just calling Linden Labs directly
Prokofy Neva: please do
Prokofy Neva: : )
Stephen Arnold: I am, You picked the wrong day to fuck with Stephen Arnold my friend...
Prokofy Neva: mutual, I'm sure!
Stephen Arnold: You will also be being reported to SL Business Communicators for letting a prepubesent child into a group that is for people of maturity and business
Prokofy Neva: that would be you? that they let in?
Stephen Arnold: You must be happy with yourself arent you, you do not seem to comprehend that you will probably be in jail for the next 3 to 6 years, you will have no money because I will take it in a lawsuit, and you are being a total incoherent ass hole that should have never came out of their mother.
Prokofy Neva: ROFL
Prokofy Neva: You have a really hilarious RP going there champ
Stephen Arnold: And the really funny thing is, you are getting so angry about this, that you are starting to break down, and you are soon going to realize what a moron you where ever thinking that you could fuck with me. I am extremely calm, I do not care that you are insulting me
Stephen Arnold: I honestly dont
Prokofy Neva: I think bursting out laughing isn't "anger" but that's just me
Prokofy Neva: I think you'll look good on my blog tho, but I'm busy, bye!
Prokofy Neva: I think bursting out laughing isn't "anger" but that's just me
Prokofy Neva: I think you'll look good on my blog tho, but I'm busy, bye!
Stephen Arnold: Also, just to inform you, that if you post anything regarding me on your blog, then that is public slander and that I will have you charged, and I will take Everything you own, and I will also be contacting the owners of the website of your blog, and they will delete it
Prokofy Neva: go for it champ!
Stephen Arnold: Go ahead, post it,
Stephen Arnold: Go

Comments

[Ryan James]

=====ATTENTION READERS=====

This is illegal documentation, any comments regarding Stephen Arnold and anything to do with his company will be deleted and you will be charged to the full extent of the law. Please do not comment on this article or your I.P. Address will be tracked and the Police will be contacted.

The author of this article will be charged for slander of a Registered company within the United States of America and Canada.

Stephen Arnold had offered to drop the charges under the condition that the author of this article make an apology to Stephen Arnold.

The author of this article declined to apologize and now for that the charges will remain.

This is an official notice from his Lawyer and he/she will be charged to the full extent of the law.

The Charges in Question are:
1.) Private Slander of a Registered company within the United States of America and Canada
2.) Public Slander of a Registered company within the United States of America and Canada

The author of this article will also be reported to Linden Labs for the following reasons:
1.) Indecency
2.) Prejudice
3.) Age

If this post is found deleted, the author / owner of www.typepad.com will be charged as well.

[Stephen Arnold]

Also to inform you there is information missing from this chat log. There is a lot of information missing from this chat log.

[Prokofy Neva]

Hahahahahaha. That's really RICH! RP is so much fun, I guess. I never try it.

Nothing is missing from the chat log that I can see.

I'm still truly mystified about any reference to "slander of a public company".

Is um......Christianity a public company???

There will be no apology, and no removal.

[Prokofy Neva]

This would probably be a better title for this blog:

"how does saying "Do my Feet Smell?" make me a non christian?"

[Economic Mip]

Sigh, he appears very set in his ideas, Remember "Monday Beam" the Second Life attorney? If they actually press charges go to him, he isn't cheap, but $15 US to get this individual off your back is probably worth it.

[Prokofy Neva]

Economic Mip, I'm quite confident I won't even have to spend $15 *Lindens* as sunlight is always the best disinfectant for stuff like this.

[mouthsoap]

You are both idiots. And don't you mess up with me, I know karate.

[Ichabod Antfarm]

1) Stephen Arnold is highly perceptive.
2) Stephen Arnold does not sound like a mob of confused teenagers.
3) Stephen Arnold's dad could probably beat up your dad.
4) Stephen Arnold is this century's greatest theologian.
5) Stephen Arnold is also this century's greatest legal mind.
6) In future, I shall try to be more like Stephen Arnold.

My I.P. address is 127.0.0.1.

[Untameable Wildcat]

My god, what a sad situation. I do think Prokofy was utterly wrong to begin a conversation with someone the way he did, but good god people, threatening lawsuits? I *HOPE* that's supposed to be a joke post, because it really isn't amusing!

Whether I agree or disagree with Prokofy - and posts from time to time here will show I am not afraid to disagree with him when I think he's wrong - he has a right to say it, if nowhere else then in his own blog. Threatening to sue him, his blog provider and anyone who reads or answers this is completely off the planet!

Oh, and good luck reporting something posted here to SL... The best you could hope for is him to be warned for posting content, but even then it would be pushing things to suggest they might. I'm sure they have much bigger headaches at the present time than worrying about someone posting a conversation on their blog!

[Lordfly Digeridoo]

Okay, that was really funny. I love idiots pretending they're lawyer ninjas.

"i am calling my lawyer oh you're in big trouble now"

bahahaha

[Earnest Candour]

Yes your feet do stink.

See you in court :)

[Prokofy Neva]

>I do think Prokofy was utterly wrong to begin a conversation with someone the way he did,

See, that's where YOU are wrong. You are so typical of people who tune into MY expression you don't like and focus ONLY on that, and fail to look at what CAME BEFORE which is this ASSHOLE griefed an entire group with spam they couldn't get away from saying "Do my feet stink?" (And usually people doing this tend to be juvenile like that, and usually the form it takes is something about sex or shit or some other stupid thing).

If some asshole jerkimer kid gets on a group and puts up prank voting proposal, "Do my feet stink?" it's an annoyance that disturbs everyone in the group, making them have to face voting menu that not only spams them once with a request to vote, if you don't vote, it spams again, and then it tells you again STILL that the quorum wasn't met. Everyone logging on has to get it, both in offline email and in IMs as they log on.

It's a form of spamming and annoyance that you really have to crack down on vigilantly. I thought it was being done to my tenants' group so I slammed hard. It turned out I was mistaken, and it was NOT my tenants group (you can't see what group it is; the group notices are also now broken) but merely a group where I'm a member, but it's still wrong and still a nuisance. It's especially annoying in a group like SL Business Communicators because they are trying to keep signal-to-noise ratios high.

What happens when spammers do this is then group owners remove the ability of people to make voting proposals. Then everyone loses. It's less democracy. It's more tyranny in groups -- tyranny introduced by little assholes like this who can't discipline themselves from pranking groups and getting attention in a stupid way like this.

Worse, the person who did it thinks he hasn't done anything wrong; he thinks he has a right to draw attention to himself in this puerile way; he thinks he's even cool doing this; and he thinks he should suffer no consequences. I slap hard at stuff like that.

In a group called SL Business Communicators, I think communication has to be professional. I'm all for open, even rancorous discussion. If the group could agree, or the makers of it have a policy, I wouldn't be opposed even to real estate ads, although I find it spammy and would remove it.

But the owner is a bit wimpy, hasn't policed business/real estate spam ads, and only gave this jerkimer a warning, despite my pointing out to her that he was insanely threatening me with a lawsuit over damages to a company whose name I couldn't even find lol.

[Untameable Wildcat]

And again you haven't looked at my comment in the proper context. To open a conversation with "My, aren't you the total dick with this kind of crap" is just as juvenile as the person placing the stupid poll in the first place. Two wrongs don't make a right. Yes, the person is an ass for putting such a stupid poll in there in the first place, I'm not disputing that (even though you seem to think that I am) - but greeting him in such an abusive way rather than using something like "Was it really necessary to put such a puerile poll in a group that's supposed to be adult?" - well, how do you THINK he's going to respond? Do you really expect a neutral or even friendly response to your opening comment? No, of course not. Of course he's going to be hostile and defensive.

We've all seen this sort of rubbish. The fact is that the sort of person who would place it in the first place is NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY NOTICE of another member of the group objecting, purely because that other group member can't do anything about it. It's a fact of SL life. Maybe the group owner should take more extensive action over it, but that's not your place to call - it's the group owners. If you don't like it, then leave the group or complain to the moderator (but preferably not by calling them names in the very first line of your IM) - there's no point in outright attacking the person over it because they're just going to say "Talk to the finger!"

A lot of situations can be dealt with by how you treat someone on first contact, and a lot can be solved by showing them the error of their ways rather than just insulting them about it. Case in point: I was running a roleplaying group some years ago when a brand new player decided to call his character's animal partner "shit head" which was also his favourite insult. I allowed this, much to the dismay of more experienced group members, but when they asked me about it I said "Play along." Each time the person used "shit head" in a derogatory way to another NPC or PC, I gave the animal an intelligence check to realise that it's name was derogatory. Eventually it passed the check, whereupon - using the mechanics of the game - it turned upon the persons character (who by now he'd got quite attached to) and nearly ripped it apart.

The player realised very quickly why this had happened, identified with his irresponsibility that he'd allowed to cross from real life to the game... and became a much better player because of it.

My point is, if I'd confronted him immediately with an insulting or abusive response he'd have been insulting and abusive back, he'd have been defensive, and he wouldn't have learned anything. Because I handled it more tactfully HE was forced to examine his own actions, rather than having someone try and ram their judgement down his throat - and when he realised for himself what an asshole he'd been, he changed.

You can't change other people by force. You can change them by putting them in a position where THEY have to analyze their OWN stupidity. Try it sometime.

[Richie Waves]

ROFL.... Real genius move making that legal looking comment under a different name!

APOLIGISE PROKOFY! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!

[Prokofy Neva]

Nope, I'm willing to go to the mat on this one. I realize I may be wearing stripes by the end of the year, but I need to catch up on my reading.

[Simondo Nebestanka]

Uh.. we haven't yet been informed of the most crucial part of this ordeal.. did his feet stink?

To recap the situation as I read it:

Step 1. Person X spams everyone in a group for a bit of a laugh.
Step 2. Person X gets flamed for said spam.
Step 3. Person X calls lawyer in response to said flaming.

Can anyone say 'Flamebait'?

Peace

[Prokofy Neva]

Untameable, ramble on with whatever warmed over politically correct touchy feely crap you like: the fucktards of Second Life only understand one thing: FORCE. Swift, relentless, unyielding FORCE.

That means that for doing shit like fucking up groups with that kind of puerile spam, they get slapped upside the head immediately and like little puppies, get their noses pushed into it. It's the ONLY thing they understand.

I've had pretty good success with this model of managing the fucktards of SL. You work with your model, and um, good luck.

[Prokofy Neva]

>You can't change other people by force. You can change them by putting them in a position where THEY have to analyze their OWN stupidity. Try it sometime.

No, people don't learn when they are coddled -- 99 percent of the people who behave this way do so because they've been coddled and cossetted and feted in RL far too much by far to many, and a dose of reality is good for them.

SL moves quickly; learning is accelerated. Force is what works; force is all they understand.

[Untameable Wildcat]

So your ideal for dealing with somebody is to attempt to grief them more than they are griefing you, ignoring the fact that both of you are griefing all those around you. Collateral damage, if you will.

There's only one problem with the macho, death star approach. There's always SOMEONE who is better placed or better equipped to do more damage to you. Escalating what might start out very minor into an outright war doesn't work in real life, and nor does it work in Second Life, as - strange as it may seem - Second Life is inhabited by people from real life, upon who the tactic doesn't work in real life.

But it's obvious you have no intention of listening to this. You're so utterly, totally convinced that you're right and everyone else is wrong that you've stopped being willing to learn, stopped being willing to consider change because somehow that will "embolden the enemy" and cause you to lose.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall never know unemployment. And in the meantime you come out with things like "Please go file a note of protest there in the comments" when someone does ultimately wield the banhammer and ruin your little war by proving that the only way to shut you up is to use more force than you can bring to bare.

It's a sad situation.

[Ace Albion]

I don't think you can slander someone by calling them an asshole in a private conversation with them.

Of course, blogging it would fall under potential libel, not slander- but I'm sure the good christian's lawyer knows that. :)

[Jellin Pico]

Because the original poster said this

///Please do not comment on this article or your I.P. Address will be tracked and the Police will be contacted.
\\\

I feel compelled, driven, forced to to comment.

Idiot.

You Sir, have NO idea how upset you made me by forcing me to side with Prok.

The mental anguish you've caused me has left me with the urge to take legal action for, well, mental anguish.

[Smoke Wijaya]

"Please do not comment on this article or your I.P. Address will be tracked and the Police will be contacted."

Have fun with it, sir stephen. And thanks for the laugh. What a fkn idiot you are indeed. You actually managed to get me of my lurking trail! Thx!

Keep it up Prokofy!

[Propane Tenk]

WHAT.

[Walach Harkon]

I dont know who is more retarded, This blogger here, for his endless whining on all kind of matters, and stretching situations to the point where they become an all out war, or the guy who has no patience to just ignore him.

Grow up, and get a life. Or just stay on teen life, where it seems you belong.

[Maria casinni]

[I dont know who is more retarded, This blogger here, for his endless whining on all kind of matters, and stretching situations to the point where they become an all out war, or the guy who has no patience to just ignore him.

Grow up, and get a life. Or just stay on teen life, where it seems you belong.]

I second this response this reporter seems to be overly agressive for something that seems to be like a joke that went wrong.

You dont get the police involved with things like this.

The police is there to help the public with serious problems, NOT issues you have in game because somebody made a false poll to vote on in a virtual game.