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June 02, 2007

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Ryan James

=====ATTENTION READERS=====

This is illegal documentation, any comments regarding Stephen Arnold and anything to do with his company will be deleted and you will be charged to the full extent of the law. Please do not comment on this article or your I.P. Address will be tracked and the Police will be contacted.

The author of this article will be charged for slander of a Registered company within the United States of America and Canada.

Stephen Arnold had offered to drop the charges under the condition that the author of this article make an apology to Stephen Arnold.

The author of this article declined to apologize and now for that the charges will remain.

This is an official notice from his Lawyer and he/she will be charged to the full extent of the law.

The Charges in Question are:
1.) Private Slander of a Registered company within the United States of America and Canada
2.) Public Slander of a Registered company within the United States of America and Canada

The author of this article will also be reported to Linden Labs for the following reasons:
1.) Indecency
2.) Prejudice
3.) Age

If this post is found deleted, the author / owner of www.typepad.com will be charged as well.

Stephen Arnold

Also to inform you there is information missing from this chat log. There is a lot of information missing from this chat log.

Prokofy Neva

Hahahahahaha. That's really RICH! RP is so much fun, I guess. I never try it.

Nothing is missing from the chat log that I can see.

I'm still truly mystified about any reference to "slander of a public company".

Is um......Christianity a public company???

There will be no apology, and no removal.

Prokofy Neva

This would probably be a better title for this blog:

"how does saying "Do my Feet Smell?" make me a non christian?"

Economic Mip

Sigh, he appears very set in his ideas, Remember "Monday Beam" the Second Life attorney? If they actually press charges go to him, he isn't cheap, but $15 US to get this individual off your back is probably worth it.

Prokofy Neva

Economic Mip, I'm quite confident I won't even have to spend $15 *Lindens* as sunlight is always the best disinfectant for stuff like this.

mouthsoap

You are both idiots. And don't you mess up with me, I know karate.

Ichabod Antfarm

1) Stephen Arnold is highly perceptive.
2) Stephen Arnold does not sound like a mob of confused teenagers.
3) Stephen Arnold's dad could probably beat up your dad.
4) Stephen Arnold is this century's greatest theologian.
5) Stephen Arnold is also this century's greatest legal mind.
6) In future, I shall try to be more like Stephen Arnold.

My I.P. address is 127.0.0.1.

Untameable Wildcat

My god, what a sad situation. I do think Prokofy was utterly wrong to begin a conversation with someone the way he did, but good god people, threatening lawsuits? I *HOPE* that's supposed to be a joke post, because it really isn't amusing!

Whether I agree or disagree with Prokofy - and posts from time to time here will show I am not afraid to disagree with him when I think he's wrong - he has a right to say it, if nowhere else then in his own blog. Threatening to sue him, his blog provider and anyone who reads or answers this is completely off the planet!

Oh, and good luck reporting something posted here to SL... The best you could hope for is him to be warned for posting content, but even then it would be pushing things to suggest they might. I'm sure they have much bigger headaches at the present time than worrying about someone posting a conversation on their blog!

Lordfly Digeridoo

Okay, that was really funny. I love idiots pretending they're lawyer ninjas.

"i am calling my lawyer oh you're in big trouble now"

bahahaha

Earnest Candour

Yes your feet do stink.

See you in court :)

Prokofy Neva

>I do think Prokofy was utterly wrong to begin a conversation with someone the way he did,

See, that's where YOU are wrong. You are so typical of people who tune into MY expression you don't like and focus ONLY on that, and fail to look at what CAME BEFORE which is this ASSHOLE griefed an entire group with spam they couldn't get away from saying "Do my feet stink?" (And usually people doing this tend to be juvenile like that, and usually the form it takes is something about sex or shit or some other stupid thing).

If some asshole jerkimer kid gets on a group and puts up prank voting proposal, "Do my feet stink?" it's an annoyance that disturbs everyone in the group, making them have to face voting menu that not only spams them once with a request to vote, if you don't vote, it spams again, and then it tells you again STILL that the quorum wasn't met. Everyone logging on has to get it, both in offline email and in IMs as they log on.

It's a form of spamming and annoyance that you really have to crack down on vigilantly. I thought it was being done to my tenants' group so I slammed hard. It turned out I was mistaken, and it was NOT my tenants group (you can't see what group it is; the group notices are also now broken) but merely a group where I'm a member, but it's still wrong and still a nuisance. It's especially annoying in a group like SL Business Communicators because they are trying to keep signal-to-noise ratios high.

What happens when spammers do this is then group owners remove the ability of people to make voting proposals. Then everyone loses. It's less democracy. It's more tyranny in groups -- tyranny introduced by little assholes like this who can't discipline themselves from pranking groups and getting attention in a stupid way like this.

Worse, the person who did it thinks he hasn't done anything wrong; he thinks he has a right to draw attention to himself in this puerile way; he thinks he's even cool doing this; and he thinks he should suffer no consequences. I slap hard at stuff like that.

In a group called SL Business Communicators, I think communication has to be professional. I'm all for open, even rancorous discussion. If the group could agree, or the makers of it have a policy, I wouldn't be opposed even to real estate ads, although I find it spammy and would remove it.

But the owner is a bit wimpy, hasn't policed business/real estate spam ads, and only gave this jerkimer a warning, despite my pointing out to her that he was insanely threatening me with a lawsuit over damages to a company whose name I couldn't even find lol.

Untameable Wildcat

And again you haven't looked at my comment in the proper context. To open a conversation with "My, aren't you the total dick with this kind of crap" is just as juvenile as the person placing the stupid poll in the first place. Two wrongs don't make a right. Yes, the person is an ass for putting such a stupid poll in there in the first place, I'm not disputing that (even though you seem to think that I am) - but greeting him in such an abusive way rather than using something like "Was it really necessary to put such a puerile poll in a group that's supposed to be adult?" - well, how do you THINK he's going to respond? Do you really expect a neutral or even friendly response to your opening comment? No, of course not. Of course he's going to be hostile and defensive.

We've all seen this sort of rubbish. The fact is that the sort of person who would place it in the first place is NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY NOTICE of another member of the group objecting, purely because that other group member can't do anything about it. It's a fact of SL life. Maybe the group owner should take more extensive action over it, but that's not your place to call - it's the group owners. If you don't like it, then leave the group or complain to the moderator (but preferably not by calling them names in the very first line of your IM) - there's no point in outright attacking the person over it because they're just going to say "Talk to the finger!"

A lot of situations can be dealt with by how you treat someone on first contact, and a lot can be solved by showing them the error of their ways rather than just insulting them about it. Case in point: I was running a roleplaying group some years ago when a brand new player decided to call his character's animal partner "shit head" which was also his favourite insult. I allowed this, much to the dismay of more experienced group members, but when they asked me about it I said "Play along." Each time the person used "shit head" in a derogatory way to another NPC or PC, I gave the animal an intelligence check to realise that it's name was derogatory. Eventually it passed the check, whereupon - using the mechanics of the game - it turned upon the persons character (who by now he'd got quite attached to) and nearly ripped it apart.

The player realised very quickly why this had happened, identified with his irresponsibility that he'd allowed to cross from real life to the game... and became a much better player because of it.

My point is, if I'd confronted him immediately with an insulting or abusive response he'd have been insulting and abusive back, he'd have been defensive, and he wouldn't have learned anything. Because I handled it more tactfully HE was forced to examine his own actions, rather than having someone try and ram their judgement down his throat - and when he realised for himself what an asshole he'd been, he changed.

You can't change other people by force. You can change them by putting them in a position where THEY have to analyze their OWN stupidity. Try it sometime.

Richie Waves

ROFL.... Real genius move making that legal looking comment under a different name!


APOLIGISE PROKOFY! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!

Prokofy Neva

Nope, I'm willing to go to the mat on this one. I realize I may be wearing stripes by the end of the year, but I need to catch up on my reading.

Simondo Nebestanka

Uh.. we haven't yet been informed of the most crucial part of this ordeal.. did his feet stink?

To recap the situation as I read it:

Step 1. Person X spams everyone in a group for a bit of a laugh.
Step 2. Person X gets flamed for said spam.
Step 3. Person X calls lawyer in response to said flaming.

Can anyone say 'Flamebait'?

Peace

Prokofy Neva

Untameable, ramble on with whatever warmed over politically correct touchy feely crap you like: the fucktards of Second Life only understand one thing: FORCE. Swift, relentless, unyielding FORCE.

That means that for doing shit like fucking up groups with that kind of puerile spam, they get slapped upside the head immediately and like little puppies, get their noses pushed into it. It's the ONLY thing they understand.

I've had pretty good success with this model of managing the fucktards of SL. You work with your model, and um, good luck.

Prokofy Neva

>You can't change other people by force. You can change them by putting them in a position where THEY have to analyze their OWN stupidity. Try it sometime.

No, people don't learn when they are coddled -- 99 percent of the people who behave this way do so because they've been coddled and cossetted and feted in RL far too much by far to many, and a dose of reality is good for them.

SL moves quickly; learning is accelerated. Force is what works; force is all they understand.

Untameable Wildcat

So your ideal for dealing with somebody is to attempt to grief them more than they are griefing you, ignoring the fact that both of you are griefing all those around you. Collateral damage, if you will.

There's only one problem with the macho, death star approach. There's always SOMEONE who is better placed or better equipped to do more damage to you. Escalating what might start out very minor into an outright war doesn't work in real life, and nor does it work in Second Life, as - strange as it may seem - Second Life is inhabited by people from real life, upon who the tactic doesn't work in real life.

But it's obvious you have no intention of listening to this. You're so utterly, totally convinced that you're right and everyone else is wrong that you've stopped being willing to learn, stopped being willing to consider change because somehow that will "embolden the enemy" and cause you to lose.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall never know unemployment. And in the meantime you come out with things like "Please go file a note of protest there in the comments" when someone does ultimately wield the banhammer and ruin your little war by proving that the only way to shut you up is to use more force than you can bring to bare.

It's a sad situation.

Ace Albion

I don't think you can slander someone by calling them an asshole in a private conversation with them.

Of course, blogging it would fall under potential libel, not slander- but I'm sure the good christian's lawyer knows that. :)

Jellin Pico

Because the original poster said this


///Please do not comment on this article or your I.P. Address will be tracked and the Police will be contacted.
\\\

I feel compelled, driven, forced to to comment.

Idiot.


You Sir, have NO idea how upset you made me by forcing me to side with Prok.

The mental anguish you've caused me has left me with the urge to take legal action for, well, mental anguish.

Smoke Wijaya

"Please do not comment on this article or your I.P. Address will be tracked and the Police will be contacted."

Have fun with it, sir stephen. And thanks for the laugh. What a fkn idiot you are indeed. You actually managed to get me of my lurking trail! Thx!

Keep it up Prokofy!

Propane Tenk

WHAT.

Walach Harkon

I dont know who is more retarded, This blogger here, for his endless whining on all kind of matters, and stretching situations to the point where they become an all out war, or the guy who has no patience to just ignore him.

Grow up, and get a life. Or just stay on teen life, where it seems you belong.

Maria casinni

[I dont know who is more retarded, This blogger here, for his endless whining on all kind of matters, and stretching situations to the point where they become an all out war, or the guy who has no patience to just ignore him.

Grow up, and get a life. Or just stay on teen life, where it seems you belong.]

I second this response this reporter seems to be overly agressive for something that seems to be like a joke that went wrong.

You dont get the police involved with things like this.

The police is there to help the public with serious problems, NOT issues you have in game because somebody made a false poll to vote on in a virtual game.

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