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September 25, 2009

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Stroker Serpentine

The only statistic I have ever followed with any regularity over the years is the PMLF. Subscriptions, Unique logins and quantative population figures are too susceptible to gaming and influences such as bots and alts. It still astounds me that given the indubitable quarterly earnings posted publically from barn to bastion, they sure aren't taking many of us along for the ride. I agree with your assesment that net gains are likely 50% of the posted figures. Even if it were 40% thats still less than 400 people who make more than $500 a week off SL. Out of 75,000 residents? Yeah, there's one helluva disconnect alright.If you want to know how the inworld economy is doing track PMLF over the years. Then tie that to population averages. Talk about things that make you go "Hmmmm". If the average is indeed a $37 expenditure, that would cover a premium account a a spat of land. I am certainly no accountant but if one were to analyze per capita the ratio between expiditure and revenue I think the resulting statistics would verify my sneaking suspicion that the only one really making any money is Linden Lab. Which would justify the apparent necessity to tout the economy. Suffice it to say Second Life has been very good to me.But thats the community not the caretakers.

Interested Merchant

wow that IS interesting - the PMLF statistic i mean.

No wonder they hide them. I'm a hobbyist myself and around 800 usd a month after tiers.

I had no idea there were so few actually making money in this game/platform...

Annyka Bekkers

Is anybody archiving these stats in a public place? It would be nice to see the year over year figures

brinda allen

@Stroker... "Suffice it to say Second Life has been very good to me.But thats the community not the caretakers."

Yes, So true. Remember the island pricing fiasco of 2008? :-(

It's good for the *Benovolent Monarchy* that there are us, "hobbyist".

melponeme_k

A land story from me:

I recently sold a nice lakefront with two protected sides to another resident for a respectable amount of money. Then this buyer immediately turned around and abandoned it. Which I thought was interesting. Perhaps they discovered they couldn't afford the tier? But for what they paid for it, that could not have been the problem.

Then I see these buy a built up mainland sim adverts on the LL page and wonder. Where is this pre-built land? Will they flood the market yet again with more mainland? Or are the gathering up old mainland?

You are right, land linked to content sales. Islands and large chunks of mainland were owned by shop owners. If these are lost due to copybotting, I highly doubt there will be enough little homebodies like me around to suck up all that empty land.

cube3

right,
i agree. a few thousand people globally making 50 bucks a month now. I think it was more like 100 bucks last year. BANK ..lol

before? its all existed once the net allowed for these bilion of pennies businesses for the common man;),lol

no magic, there was ebay, which before they also got greedy, allowed you to make on average 10 bucks a listing IF you got up on a sunday, hit a thrift or garage sale, and picked up a few 2-5 dollar items....

so actually, ebay was less work, less headaches, and more profit for the 100-500 usd a month amature Getty's could make while still under the thumbs of the techno UNREGULATED miracles of commerce.:)

All of the SL machinatins for thel ast years would be fine, but only if it was an "entertianment product" and not the "second coming of business and spirituality and government, etc" that the blogger level media and cynical tech bankers, constanstly employed and unleash on the world as to the "real" reason for building this "virtual world"..better world, wiki culture, yaadd yadda yadda

i still would like to know who BANKED 90k a month... and what the actual PROFIT was for that BANK? and was it in server rentals, tool software, or content/virtual items.

curiositykilledthecat

How much revenue do u make urself from banners etc by running a blog about SL?
Do u publish these numbers :P

Crap Mariner

curiositykilledthecat -

Now now now... you forgot to ask about the tip jar.

-ls/cm quite proud of my "Coffee For Prokofy" habit.

cube inada

I noticed ORANGE island in SL is closing down. It was one of the few "thought-examined" corporate entries into the SL fever.
The Million or 64k dollar Question for them and virtuality is WHATS NEXT?, do they attempt to "scale" and expand virtuality as branding beyond the SL closed system of a few thousand diehards, or do they pack up, and stop attempting to brand and market in the virtuality media concluding it was just another "disco dancing fad" where they used to sponsor dance contests in realife bars and warehouses turned into dance halls in the 70s...:)

"tech experiments" sold from a LAB as "community" and "economics" culture... only from SF:)lol

But what of the "children?"..;)lol

anyhow, will they continue in a curve outward, or will a large media company decide, lessons learned, and pull away for "western line dancing" to next emerge...?

the test for virtuality as a media is again set down.

Desmond Shang

>>"219 people made $5000 US or more, 374 $2000-5000,651 $1000-2000 -- and yet this "positive monthly linden flow" category doesn't show what they made *after tier*. So, cut it in half or more."

219 making 5000+.

That covers a lot of range, in there. Some millionaires, certainly, and some not~so~millionaires.

After tier, which in my case is close to 9000 USD, I'm not netting 5000 USD/month. Not too far off, but certainly that's not the cashout. And then there's taxes.

Stroker and I are certainly in the 219, as is Anshe, Adam, and probably just about every other major land baron. Prolly Prok too.

As a club, it's probably a lot like the old "gentleman's clubs" of a century or two ago. Where you have a few of the real millionaires making the big changes, and then "baby barons" like myself who are in the door, barely, but not terribly important in the grand scheme of things.

cube inada

I truly appreciatte the info Desmond, since I believe your buisness plan IS the most capable to turn a legal /sustainable profit in the SL /LL system.

I count out gambling/ZYNGA/ bank pyramids etc.

Adult Content as Stroker can attest to is a profit generator, but it comes with its own business/culture costs as well.

as for land, i agree with proks "why we need it" but its always going to be an artificial construct in digital realms, and always the "yo yo for the" server service bankers to play the masses with. Open Spaces type business plans will now endure forever...unless like in RL we set up civic restraints..but looking at the RL housing/market fiasco in the world..well.we dont seem to want to fix basic human needs resources for a more common good....i hope that dont make me a commie.:)

im not sure why we needed this "second life" EXPERIMENT..lol if the real life world / US economy wasnt virtual enough for the last 100 years.

Prokofy Neva

If I'm not mistaken, I think the Google terms prohibit you from discussing the revenue.

melponeme_k

Speaking of revenue...I noticed tonight a slight drop in L prices. I remember a week or so ago, L4000 was closer to $20 now it is near $15.

So they have printed more rubber bills. I wonder if we will see inflation in the SL economy soon.

Prokofy Neva

They sold already a quarter of a million this month and $350,000 or so last month, more than usual but still not the worst in their history.

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