Emerald Floggers

I was just re-reading Notes of a Revolutionary by Andrei Amalrik again, it's such a delightful book, although of course on a grim subject, of how the leaders of the Soviet dissident intelligentsia were picked off one by one and sent to the GULAG in the 1970s. I knew Amalrik, author of the famous book "Will the Soviet Union Survive Until 1984?" who was only 7 years off in his prognosis, and who didn't live to see it come true, sadly. He writes with great wit and verve about those days and the principles of course are universal.

He was describing life in a communal flat in Moscow -- the petty intrigues, the police informants, the spies and fake witnesses, the preoccupation with rank and obsession about insult, the faded aristocrats, the self-righteous charwomen, the cramped artists -- the constant drearyness of shortages and self-justifying indignation, the fat lady washing all her undies in the one bath tub down the hallway with her ass sticking out into the hall, the suitcases piled up, people mysteriously being hauled away in the middle of the night by police stamping their boots on the stairway, the endless tea debates and garrulous drunks...and I was trying to think, now...what does this remind me?

And then I thought: oh, the Concierge Group.

[2009/10/14 12:21]  Lyssa Sapeur: ugg, i hate asking outloud but does anybody have the link to the new download?
[2009/10/14 12:21]  Bird Lilliehook: sorry Lyssa I could not find it..was looking
[2009/10/14 12:22]  Lyssa Sapeur: thanks :)
[2009/10/14 12:22]  Daten Thielt: http://modularsystems.sl/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=sections&Itemid=5
[2009/10/14 12:22]  Daten Thielt: for anyone intreste
[2009/10/14 12:22]  Daten Thielt: f
[2009/10/14 12:22]  Daten Thielt: -.- damn typing
[2009/10/14 12:23]  Bird Lilliehook: Hey Daten is there a permant way to turn it off..it never did that before..and thanks that did work
[2009/10/14 12:23]  Prokofy Neva: Download Emerald, and you contribute to the climate of impunity that Emerald incites to rogue viewers stealing content that they do nothing about.
[2009/10/14 12:23]  Daten Thielt: There might be in the debug options, but I dont belive that permenent
[2009/10/14 12:24]  Prokofy Neva: If you're going to abuse Concierge to spam advertisements for third-party viewers, then I'm going to post a caveat emptor notice.
[2009/10/14 12:24]  Bird Lilliehook: umm I dont se how that is contibuting ..it is not a theft viewer, but I understanding advertising another viewer, but again it is not a theft viewer..so I dont get your point.
[2009/10/14 12:25]  Fractured Crystal: lol
[2009/10/14 12:25]  Dytska Vieria gets popcorn
[2009/10/14 12:25]  Prokofy Neva: It incites theft by enabling others to use its opensource software without policing, condemning or disassociating from them
[2009/10/14 12:25]  Lyssa Sapeur: dood, that's prokofy, that person loves to incite drama.
[2009/10/14 12:25]  Dytska Vieria: Torley likes emerald...
[2009/10/14 12:25]  Fractured Crystal: LL's licensing hardly gives emerald a choice
[2009/10/14 12:25]  Prokofy Neva: Why is it ok to spam n otices urging people to use untrustworthy third-party viewers?
[2009/10/14 12:25]  Fractured Crystal: they HAVE to release the code open source
[2009/10/14 12:25]  Aztek Aeon: *eye roll*
[2009/10/14 12:25]  Bird Lilliehook: I like Prokofy she seems very smart..it was not a start of a war.. :) I just wanted her point of view.
[2009/10/14 12:26]  Prokofy Neva: Um, you're an evangelist for the as we know, Fractured, and in fact they can do a LOT morethan they do to discourage, condemn, out and control misuse
[2009/10/14 12:26]  Fractured Crystal: the "as we know"?
[2009/10/14 12:26]  Prokofy Neva: The Lindens should close off the viewer, it's a failed experiment
[2009/10/14 12:26]  Fractured Crystal: and would you mind telling me what else can be done, since I didn't get any memos
[2009/10/14 12:26]  Fractured Crystal: well thats all well and good to say, but they aren't
[2009/10/14 12:27]  Fractured Crystal: so obviously they disagree
[2009/10/14 12:27]  Lyssa Sapeur: verbal diarrhea...
[2009/10/14 12:27]  Dytska Vieria: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/tnt/blog/2009/09/09/q-whats-your-fave-alternate-viewer-feature
[2009/10/14 12:27]  Prokofy Neva: Why is it that people who have to register their accounts with payment information to buy land or view adult content, but they don't have to do that to code and inflict a viewer on the unsuspecting SL public?
[2009/10/14 12:27]  Fractured Crystal: ask LL
[2009/10/14 12:27]  Prokofy Neva: I have some real questions about at least 4 of the Emerald devs who had new accounts, griefed me repeatedly because I raised legitimate and necessary questions about their hacked viewer, and now they've been gone from the people list for weeks. What's up?
[2009/10/14 12:28]  Fractured Crystal: what devs
[2009/10/14 12:28]  Prokofy Neva: No, I'm asking you Emerald devs and floggers
[2009/10/14 12:28]  Fractured Crystal: LL decides rules such as what we do or do not have to do to make a viewer
[2009/10/14 12:28]  Vortex Saito: Grrr you guys never learn
[2009/10/14 12:28]  Prokofy Neva: Who were you before your crystal fractured?
[2009/10/14 12:28]  Fractured Crystal: myself
[2009/10/14 12:29]  Dascheigh Bailey: i have been wondering about that emerald viewer and peoples opinions of that as i have been tempted to use it...this is good convo.
[2009/10/14 12:29]  Prokofy Neva: Awfully proficient in coding viewers for a mere two months in SL
[2009/10/14 12:29]  Vortex Saito: If you want to throw mud at each other do it somewhere else please
[2009/10/14 12:29]  Aztek Aeon: Dasch, I wouldnt use any other viewer.  Its fabulous for builders & the latest release is just icing on the cake
[2009/10/14 12:30]  Prokofy Neva: Er, it's hardly "throwing mud" to point out the absence of certain officers of the Emerald group from the people list
[2009/10/14 12:30]  Vortex Saito: I don't care, this is the CIG, not the place for discussing viewers
[2009/10/14 12:30]  Prokofy Neva: yes Dscheigh, you never hears the cons, only the pros, and from amateurs
[2009/10/14 12:30]  Dascheigh Bailey: thanks for the input aztek
[2009/10/14 12:30]  Prokofy Neva: Exactly, And that's why the first person flogging this viewer, and posting links to it should have been shut up
[2009/10/14 12:31]  Aztek Aeon: Oh sorry, thought this was Prokofy Life Info Group
[2009/10/14 12:31]  Fractured Crystal: 1: the viewer is c++, a language used outside sl fyi 2: how would you know how proficient i am or not, i could suck for all you know
[2009/10/14 12:31]  Vortex Saito: There goes AR #1, personal attack
[2009/10/14 12:31]  Lyssa Sapeur: I thought so too for an instant. My nightmare that I pay thousands of dollars a month to hear....
[2009/10/14 12:31]  Prokofy Neva: er, no, it's the Daten Thielt Emerald Fanboyz Club, 333rd session
[2009/10/14 12:31]  Prokofy Neva: If it's ok to flog links and praise it, it's ok to criticize it too
[2009/10/14 12:32]  Dascheigh Bailey: ok...thanks..i was just wondering...have good day
[2009/10/14 12:32]  Lady Sakai waits for the hammer to drop
[2009/10/14 12:32]  Daten Thielt: Leave me out this Prokofy i dont use the viewr
[2009/10/14 12:32]  Vortex Saito: And there goes AR #2, personal attack #2
[2009/10/14 12:32]  Lyssa Sapeur thinks grandstanding should be done on "somebodys" personal blog and not here.
[2009/10/14 12:32]  Prokofy Neva: They're only seen as fallacies by binary-thinking geeks
[2009/10/14 12:32]  Lyssa Sapeur: Perhaps Prokofy should blog where we don't have to hear her never ending tempertantrums.
[2009/10/14 12:32]  Bird Lilliehook: Well I am neither a devs or flogger whatever that is...and I like emerald and have told Lindens plenty of times I used it...and NO I dont steal IP or anything else...but IT has features that the SL viewer does not, and NOT theft features so I see things very different..but thanks for your opinion.
[2009/10/14 12:33]  Poppet McGimsie: usually if Prokofy bothers to post here, something of significance is going on
[2009/10/14 12:33]  Prokofy Neva: Why is it ok to flog the Emerald viewer, and not criticize it?
[2009/10/14 12:33]  Aztek Aeon: lol
[2009/10/14 12:33]  Dytska Vieria: speculation != fact
[2009/10/14 12:33]  Caliandris Pendragon: Don't make me come in there to sort you out...
[2009/10/14 12:33]  Lyssa Sapeur: Lol @ Dytska :D
[2009/10/14 12:33]  Prokofy Neva: Well, in my view, if several of the group officers grief me by coming and killing chickens, blasting particles, etc. and then...disappear from the people list for weeks on end, and the viewer is only flogged by people with 30 or 60 days of time in SL, you have to ask questions, lots of questions
[2009/10/14 12:34]  Dascheigh Bailey: lol
[2009/10/14 12:34]  Prokofy Neva: If Emerald Viewer is so fabulous, why can't these experienced devs a) use their main accounts b) have payment on file and used and c) not be missing from the people list following abuse reports?
[2009/10/14 12:34]  Lyssa Sapeur: I think your choice of vocab is flawed.
[2009/10/14 12:35]  Fractured Crystal: next you'll want our RL names mandatorily in our first life tab for all residents prokofy
[2009/10/14 12:35]  Bird Lilliehook: Well anyone can use the viewer..and anyone can kill chickens and blast particles on ANY viewer...I think you arguement is unfair..although the only point I see is not advertising it here.
[2009/10/14 12:35]  Lady Sakai: Prokofy,  my account is a bit older than 30-60 days ... unless I lost my ability to  count  in the last 24 hours
[2009/10/14 12:35]  Fractured Crystal: 1105 days, lady
[2009/10/14 12:35]  Dytska Vieria: The devs probably want a little privacy, thus alt accounts, otherwise they would be constantly IM'ed with support requests when there already is a website.  This goes for lots of things, not just emerald.
[2009/10/14 12:35]  Prokofy Neva: Fractured for example is renting out to the Woodbury goons who are intertwined with W-hat and 4-chan PNS. so that means he takes money from groups that deliberately grief my sims, for example this week, where they disassembled a tenant's expensive tv and cabinet because he accidently put it in "share". They routinely crash sims, harass people, and cause havoc. Yet Fractured takes money from them to sustain his Emerald project.
[2009/10/14 12:36]  Lyssa Sapeur: Definition of Verbal Diarreah : A serious disease which, once it has control of a person, causes them to spew forth incoherent babble from the bowels of the voicebox. Often extremely frustrating for the victim and extremely hilarious for the observer.
[2009/10/14 12:36]  Fractured Crystal: woodbury goons huh
[2009/10/14 12:36]  Lady Sakai: and fyi ... Emerald has a  shield  that protects  the av from coy  ... but I  guess that is irrellevant
[2009/10/14 12:36]  Prokofy Neva: 8/29/2009 Fractured Crystal?
[2009/10/14 12:36]  Fractured Crystal: ?
[2009/10/14 12:36]  Prokofy Neva: how is that "1105 days"
[2009/10/14 12:36]  Fractured Crystal: Lady Sakai is 1105 days
[2009/10/14 12:36]  Lady Sakai: oh so I  am  ;)
[2009/10/14 12:37]  Prokofy Neva: but you aren't
[2009/10/14 12:37]  Fractured Crystal: never said I was?
[2009/10/14 12:37]  Fractured Crystal: im 46
[2009/10/14 12:37]  Prokofy Neva: and that's the issue -- and your sustaining of the Woodbury goons onyour sim
[2009/10/14 12:37]  Fractured Crystal: i am?
[2009/10/14 12:37]  Vortex Saito: Take this elsewhere please
[2009/10/14 12:37]  Prokofy Neva: Lonely Firebird killed 50 of my tenants' chickens, and brags about it. That's a good evidence of the true nature of this group.
[2009/10/14 12:37]  Bird Lilliehook: Close your box Vortex...best bet :)
[2009/10/14 12:37]  Vortex Saito: No I refuse to close it
[2009/10/14 12:37]  Fractured Crystal: my rental system is entirely automated, i don't even have to be online for them to take complete parcel ownership and pay thereafter
[2009/10/14 12:37]  Prokofy Neva: No, Vortex, if they get to spam their hacked viewer, I get to criticize their hacked viewer
[2009/10/14 12:38]  Bird Lilliehook: Then be quite :) Lindens will shut it down
[2009/10/14 12:38]  Daryl Rubble: hey... if yall aint got anything positive or nice to say.. Then why even talk... i mean this is getting rather irriatating... last time i checked this was Concierge group... not a group about other viewers, or how old one avatar is over another... etc
[2009/10/14 12:38]  Vortex Saito: NOT in this channel
[2009/10/14 12:38]  Fractured Crystal: and i don't know anyone named lonely firebird  [It's Lonely Bluebird who is in his management group--PN]
[2009/10/14 12:38]  Prokofy Neva: Fractured, your group requires an invitation, spare me the fakery
[2009/10/14 12:38]  Prokofy Neva: er,  look at your group
[2009/10/14 12:38]  Fractured Crystal: what group
[2009/10/14 12:38]  Prokofy Neva: Emerald POint Management/ hello?
[2009/10/14 12:38]  Lady Sakai: argh ..... someone pull the plug  ... its getting irritating .. and it takes a LOT to irritate me
[2009/10/14 12:38]  Fractured Crystal: open join?
[2009/10/14 12:38]  Prokofy Neva: what a faker
[2009/10/14 12:39]  Vortex Saito: SHut up
[2009/10/14 12:39]  Fractured Crystal: my parcels become OWNED by the renters prokofy
[2009/10/14 12:39]  Prokofy Neva: Lonely Firebird [the name is actually Bluebird -- PN] is an Emerald regular [He's in fact a developer according to his profile.]
[2009/10/14 12:39]  Prokofy Neva: Shut up yourself, Vortex
[2009/10/14 12:39]  Fractured Crystal: you must be confused with lonely bluebird
[2009/10/14 12:39]  Vortex Saito: Nope
[2009/10/14 12:39]  Daryl Rubble: Prokofy, if you want to talk about the Emerald viewer, why not get into the Emeriald group... and stop talking about it in this group
[2009/10/14 12:39]  Vortex Saito: The CIG is not the place for this
[2009/10/14 12:39]  Dee Linden: Hey gang, we value freedom of speech here, but... we're going to have to ask that this conversation be moved elsewhere, a group where only those who want to discuss this are involved please.
[2009/10/14 12:39]  Prokofy Neva: Um, if it is a place where you can flog its links and discuss how you  love it, it's a place to criticize too
[2009/10/14 12:39]  Bird Lilliehook: Best if you not in the conversation to jsut be quite and Mature and it will die :)
[2009/10/14 12:39]  Daryl Rubble: Thank You DEE
[2009/10/14 12:40]  Nepal Tairov: Thanks Dee
[2009/10/14 12:40]  Prokofy Neva: Then Dee you had better stop them having POSITIVE discussions about Emerald, too
[2009/10/14 12:40]  Lady Sakai  hands Dee some chocolate chip cookies .. with  EXTRA  chocolate
[2009/10/14 12:40]  Fractured Crystal: lol
[2009/10/14 12:40]  Prokofy Neva: why is it ok to flog Emerald and push Emerald and misrepresent Emerald, but not question that?!
[2009/10/14 12:40]  Alexandra Fallon: omg I log on to all hell breaking loose :/
[2009/10/14 12:40]  Fractured Crystal: the term flog makes me think of being whipped
[2009/10/14 12:40]  Lady Sakai: guess who  Alex ;)
[2009/10/14 12:40]  Rival Destiny: its the arguing & name calling that is being questioned IMO not the topic
[2009/10/14 12:40]  Fractured Crystal: is someone whipping emerald
[2009/10/14 12:40]  Daryl Rubble: Prokofy.. drop it .. take it to emerald group or your own group or what have it.... but drop it here in CIG
[2009/10/14 12:41]  Alexandra Fallon: everyone start waving cause they're gonna shut chat again lol

[whereupon I am muted in the group]

Just a date check on the Emerald devs and floggers in "Greenlife Users and Coders" founded by LSL Engineer who is now GONE from the People list, and formerly including Discrete Dreamscape, chicken killer, now gone from the People list, and Escaped Phelan, also  now gone from the People list).

Lonely Bluebird -- born 6/13/09  (Killer of 50 chickens on my sim)

Fractured Crystal -- born 8/29/09

Skills Hak -- born 4/3/08

Luminous Luminos -- born 9/20/2008

LordGregGreck Back -- born 8/02/2007

Visible Ghost -- 10/03/2009  (with a typical 4-chan message on his profile: "Plexus Linden hates mudkips. Don't believe me? Ask him for yourself."

Gnome Inkpen -- 2/13/2009  (with a note that he joined SL  12/15/2007)

Looks to me like: a) people on alts with mains b) people who have been banned on their other accounts

Both Fractured and Lonely joined The Iron Symphony which looks like a spoof Ron Hubbard fan club which is actually an anti-scientologist group -- and that's one of the chief hallmarks of 4-chan-ness, obsession with the Scientologists (I have no use for them either, but the channers have a particularly zealous jihad against them).

Other griefers who belong to Emerald Point management  include Jono Matova who is a frequent-flyer griefer.

I thought it was time to come in after numerous fanboyz incited by Torley were flogging Emerald again and inject a reality check.

Comments

[Sarah Sheldon]

(In case you don't remember my SL name is Untameable Wildcat)

It is fine to be as critical as you like of any viewer you dislike on your own blog. That's called free speech.

There is protocol to follow, nettiquette, when you use any kind of forum or group IM system. That protocol says you don't flood casual chat with your own grievances about others or about other viewers. If you don't like a viewer, fine, say "I personally wouldn't advise using this viewer because " and move on.

If people want to hear your point of view, they'll google you and find your blog, as I did. That then becomes their choice. It's wrong to impose that against their will by lecturing on an open channel.

[Prokofy]

"Sarah", you're full of shit, and just listen to yourself, you sound like a goddamn school marm. Good God, the sheerm smarmy conformism of young people today, it's disgusting.

If those freaks can get on Concierge and flog Emerald mindlessly, heedless of the implication, then I sure as hell can get on and criticize it.

There isn't any "protocol" that we have to follow on the Concierge list about "how we talk," that's ridiculous. What happens is that the little fucktards on there bang on the Lindens, and the Lindens feel like they "must" respond when they have a dozen fanboyz banging on them at once, it never fails. They have no spine. They should work on principle, and not on whether on not little flashmobs of cretins bang on them.

They flood chat with mindless fanning of Emerald, I'm right back at them with legitimate, documented criticism.

Good God on a crutch, look at the goddamn officers of Emerald Point Management and how they have tolerated the Woodbury griefers to rent land and join their management group. That tells you all you need to know right there.

I love how you "grant me free speech" on my blog. Thanks a lot! But REAL free speech of the kind we still do have in America unlike whatever rock you're growing under does not require you to be positive, to follow protocol, to refrain from criticism -- and doesn't even require that you "not engage in personal attacks". In fact, neither this speech today, or the speech I posted from Concierge yesterday that some vicious little furry abuse-reported me for were actual personal attacks. It's not a personal attack to point out that these accounts on the Emerald dev group and management group are very young, they are obvious alts, and those two that were very copiously documented as griefing me and my tenants are now missing from the people list. So go know. These are facts that have to be brought to the public eye.

P.S. Untameable Wildcat is a frequent flyer harasser of me on the JIRA, a prissy little oppressive non-entity.

[Sarah Sheldon]

Ah, so I'm now part of your conspiracy because I've been critical of you on the JIRA?

Well, you know who you sound like?

Orly Taitz.

You are so full of conspiracy theories based on nothing more than your own fanciful imagination, so ready to release a tirade of semi-linked, unproven conspiracy theories at the least opportunity.

You love to group people together into these strangely and quaintly named groups that all have this agenda to put you down, grief you, silence you, whatever it is this week - when in fact all you have is an overinflated view of your own importance.

I'm not oppressive. I have no rank to BE oppressive. I'm a resident in Second Life, nothing more than that. Yet somehow according to you I'm a "frequent flier" (last time I visited the JIRA was so long ago it's no longer in the 60-day history of visited URLs) harasser of you? I criticize where I think criticism is due, and I praise where praise is due. What's the difference between my criticism of you and your criticism of any of the people you were talking to in this group? What makes you the supposed hero of the people and me a "prissy little oppressive non-entity"?

Your "facts that have to be brought into the public eye" seem to be as stable as Orly Taitz' Kenyan Obama Birth Certificate. To you they are hard facts that everyone should be investigating, when in fact they are just a bunch of semi-linked entities or happenings that are being turned into this massive conspiracy idea by you, so that you can draw attention to yourself for being "the persecuted one" when you're nothing but a prissy little oppressive non-entity with delusions of usefulness yourself.

[Prokofy Neva]

A good one to repost...