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March 31, 2010

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Brinda Allen

Well parsed Prok...I tryed to wade through the TOS at log in...
I just had a feeling something new was afoot.
While I did catch a lot of it...it takes a law degree {which I don't have} and hours of research {which I'm not going to attempt} to decipher the text.
While there does appear to be some boiler plate, there are enough ambiguous statements to provide some one with enough time and money to cause a ton of litigation. I would be surprised if a lawyer actually wrote it.

I always knew I didn't have the resources to do anything if they did what they wanted.

cube inada

"In closing, I'll note that in addition to first telling us we don't own land, then referring to us as "owners of land" in the policy (LOL), the Lindens slip back to admitting that Second Life isn't a platform or a service or a space, but a game:"

yes. A game like that played by Enron or Lehman. Bernie Madoff's a game god.

so who won?;)

melponeme_k

I'm waiting for the crazy copyright screams over screenshot work. Because I know the more sensitive will be ARing for it.

I will no longer take travel screenshots. Don't want to deal with figuring out the middle path and seeking out the owners of every little thing that is captured by my viewer. Most of my SL flickr is gone. But that brings me to a somewhat related topic. Do you know how hard it is to get rid of anything on Flickr and Koinup? So many menus to go through and buttons to click. And it seems Koinup doesn't give an option to erase an account. I sent them an email about it.

cube inada

nothing crazy about them.
2 years a go a brazilian pop stars producers made a music video using my original "Starbase C3 ships" IP for "free"-- as props... well not free. 3.00 usd.lol
they made a commercial music video- sold real celebrity etc..and did ir for most likely 10 cent on a dollar..

never any credits, never any real fair dollar trade.

for linden to claim license for all others to do what they may-is really unethical.

anyhow- i dont think they ever had any ethics.from day one its been a web2.0 scam on "users"..who "generate"...

Darien Caldwell

There will be no crazy screams over screenshots, because the TOS makes it crystal clear that people and things in public places are fair game, unless they put in the covenant "No Screeshots". The part about getting every avatar's permission is for machinima only. This has always been the basic policy, until that virtual lawyer guy started trying to push a viewpoint that screenshots was 'theft'. I knew then he was full of crap and it's good to see LL adding verbage to neutralize his attempts to criminalize the taking of a screenshot.

So take as many screenshots of people, buildings, etc as you like, if there's no Covenant or sign saying you can't, you can.

melponeme_k

Checking the land menu for every place I visit is ridiculous. Public space is public space.

And I've seen the creators in action on the old NPIRL blog, shouting that they would sue any screenshot maker.

This change and now my troubles with Koinup/Flickr etc just show that my hobby was merely giving publicity to various parties. Which they used to launch services or builds. I receive nothing for it. Therefore I want no part of it anymore.

Darien Caldwell

"And I've seen the creators in action on the old NPIRL blog, shouting that they would sue any screenshot maker."

Threatening lawsuits is pretty much the current passtime in SL. Lots of hot air and no substance. Especially in cases like this where said creator hasn't a legal leg to stand on.

As you point out, you're basically giving their build or whatever more exposure, so why on earth they would be against that, I don't understand.

LL's rules are basically based on RL law. You know Google drives a truck down public streets, and photographs people's buildings, and the people who are standing there, all the time, because that's perfectly legal.

I could walk down to my local Mall and photograph the outside while standing in the street, or on the public sidewalk. I could photograph the people coming in and out. I could photograph the cars driving by. I could go to City hall and photograph that too. Although I *will* say, that in recent years, the fear of terrorism has caused some municipalites to over-react to filming or photographing of public spaces. (apparently they feel if you're taking a picture of the beautiful City Hall, you must be a terrorist wanting to blow it up. These instances are rare and have been fought in court.)

So my best advice is, don't allow these people to cyber-bully you into stopping something you enjoy. Because that's all it really is. Perhaps they don't deserve the added attention you will bring them, but the bad actions of a few shouldn't be allowed to destroy your enjoyment of something you have every right to enjoy and engage in. :)

cube inada

"As you point out, you're basically giving their build or whatever more exposure, so why on earth they would be against that, I don't understand."


because your a mediated child raised on thinking fame has a value that everyone should pay for.

once upon a time you were the town fool, or a court jester, until you were boring, then you were hung.

you and so many- really dont get it...but then again youve been programmed not to.

googleborg.

Darien Caldwell

Would be nice if you could explain, rather than insult. Heh.

cube inada

its no joke that on april fools day that two more vr worlds that used the unethical con called "user generated" content to attempt to- or actually monetize for the enrichemnt of a few from the many, went to hell.

Vivaty, closing after reportdly 9m usd spent.

And LL new tos that hijacks all value of visual resourse IP by suggesting that anyone who enters the LL freebie giveaway service- can without any of the IP creators permissions create COMMERCIAL derivative works from the original commercial works of those creators/owners.

3Dconcepts, Renderosity, etc have been in the 3d asset biz for a decade plus, as have I. LL has seemingly Hijacked all assets that they "licensed" or were going too(renderosity) with SL for years. Facebook and even AOL backed away from such unethical TOS issues a decade ago.

its a total rebuff of all visual media professionalsand the clients they borught to SL under ANOTHER TOS.

i read the new TOS again, it "may" offer support for a IP owners own Licenses, but as you as a typical user seem to beleive you now have the free rights to commercially do what you will with all images captured within SL...then the damage is done, and I suggest a real world court will be needed to end this sillyness, if LL dosnt just add "non commercial" to its supposed rights it REQUIRES for its customers who ONLY ARE THERE to utilize/commercialize THEIR IP, not Lindens.

They claim they now not only have a license to commecialize on others IP BUT to further devalue it from non linden centric usage by DUMPING IT on the market of visual IP by claiming it free for all to use, just for downloading the SL client...a short term "hit for a IPO for a few"

even GOOGLE DOSNET CLAIM SUCH RIGHTS transfers for assets it stores on its servers for all to USE to do no harm?!..lol

an arrogant and stupid day for the future unless the push back is made loud and clear.

cube inada

Darien- before you go making Star Wars meets the Greenies Movies for sale.:)

Followup- from new policies doc-


what does "3d content that WE created" actually mean?

linden trees? linden terrain? a content creators original scooter design?
prims connected and altered by code? textures used to represent spoked wheels?

i have read a good number of posts including the one above suggesting SL isa free for all movie studio now-- well maybe not-- well mr lawyer?;) anyhow... there will be many other companies with long histories in the 3d visual biz- that will i assume take up issue with this new policy and tos conditional change. RISK being theirs i assume..;) Profits and IPO for quick user increase being LL;s;)

BTW- i was under the impression that YOU CANT make movies from MS or blizzard IP beyond for self personal usage.... smart and sustainable for an industry and a culture.


"c) Other Intellectual Property Licenses.
It’s important to remember that the Licenses are only copyright licenses for the 3D content we created that is displayed in-world. They do not include any permission to use the trademarks of Linden Lab or Residents, and they do not give any copyright permission to use music or sound recordings that may be performed in-world. They also do not give any copyright permission to use any website or video content that may be streamed from outside the Second Life virtual world environment.

If the content that you capture is subject to any trademark, service mark, trade dress, publicity rights, or other intellectual property or proprietary rights, you must obtain the necessary licenses and permissions to use the content, and you use it at your own risk.

For general information on intellectual property, please see our Intellectual Property Policy. If you seek legal advice about a specific situation, we suggest contacting a lawyer. Linden Lab cannot provide you with legal advice.

Darien Caldwell

I think it's a fallacy to think anyone is making money off screenshots in SL. People just like to show off cool things they see to their friends and others. Exactly like you see Prok doing nearly every day here on her blog. I understand you feel you got burned by some Brazillian pop star who used your space ship or whatever, But that is not even anywhere near the same as someone taking a screenshot and posting it on their blog.

I don't make movies, not even bad ones. :) But even those who do, do it for fun, not profit. That's why I shake my head in sadness at people getting all bent out of shape over something that basically does no harm, and in fact can help by way of free promotion. But really 9 times out of 10 its really goes neither way, because most items in SL are mediocre and unrecognizable outside the context of their creator's own advertising. Same can go for spaceships. :)

cube inada

you still dont get it.
you can insult yourself now;)

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