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April 29, 2010

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cube inada

but farmville is a game.. not a tool for actual real people interaction/communications/ trade/ economy..
its no different then selling pez dispensers and then candy as a fad....

forget surburban, forget all ideas of "aesthitics"-- milllions love monsters in WOW, and millions love cartoony anime munshkins in IMVU or gaia.. and millions love kubrik people in habbo hotel....

its all about "opening and allowing an economy of others" and not trying to "own" it all...

that WORKS for a game.. but KILLS all human platforms/media for interaction...

LL waffles between the two products- game and platform, trying to have cake-eat it too.. and hoping enough will continue to have faith...

apple and adobe worked the same way.. now they both look like dicks to the faithful creative who changed there entire lives around those companies 10 years ago... and trust me,.. all those iphone ipod music fans, will be livid in a decade when jobs tells them their music formats and rolodexes are OLD and obsolete.. and hes deleteing them as a nod to the future....( as he told us flash users today)

LL will be remebered the same way... and all those who wont see it.. and even jaron- a hero today, and part of the virtual hype-con 20 years ago... are to blame as well.( yes at least jaron menched up 5 years ago)

others just move from adobe to LL...or organic to LL.. whereever the machine is that's currently sucking the hardest.:)

Brinda Allen

What's that line?...Bullcrap is bullcrap no matter what kind of perfume is on it.

I guess it might say something about the attitude of "The Benevolent Monarchy" that us *common* people suddenly can't add. That 1.4 60 day approx # hasn't changed appreciably in a long time.

This stuff so often looks like a carnie show...waving one hand while picking our pocket with the other.

melponeme_k

I can't blame Linden Lab for trying to imprint themselves on the platform or take back their platform. I think Philip began it all with the best of intentions. But remember, it was the beginning of the VR bubble. No one knew what would be successful. SL had a head start. So you can imagine the humiliation when a mere cartoon game overtook it and now defines VRs. We will get more of WoW or variations of it rather than SL.

The company probably considers the resident input platform a noble failure, if they think of it at all in such benign terms. Maybe that is giving them too much honor. They are business people. Its probably just another pipe dream gone bad and unprofitable.

Cube is right. The entertainment industry is quickly moving towards a mass platform of forced obsolescence. We will pay, pay and pay again for content they control. While they let hackers and scrapers keep everyone else in electronic serfdom.

But take heart all, the depression will grind most of them into dust. You can't have a business without paying customers.

cube inada

not just "entertainemnt" is my point... its all activities being funneled through the tech centered model of the web-net. etc

worse of all is the horrid gov 2.0 movements...which truly are anti republic adventures that will morph us to technototalitariasm.

how we "pay".. thats already been changed... we no longer pay to USE a service

we are USED by the service as pay.

Edward Orendorff

Hate the fact that WoW keeps getting compared to SL. I logged into WoW again to find, once again, someone in the trade channel complaining for more hair options in-game. And this was received by numerous others supporting the idea.

Enter SL: Learning curve is just as big, yet options are almost limitless. Land can be purchased or rented, money made, avatars changed on a whim....

So what's the big draw to WoW? Is it due to the mind numbing hours spent leveling a character? The monotonous attempts at doing difficult quests? Is it that it's a better platform for a fantasy world in which to play and role play than SL is?

And now WoW sells a mount for 25 bucks. And yes, there is no shortage of people showing theirs off. Just like the pets sold. I'm just waiting for the high end gear and weapons to go on sale for those that are casual players LOL

SL has changed so much in the 3 years that I've been running around in it. The people are different, and most importantly, less informed. Meeting people today do not mirror meeting people 3 years ago. Less initiative to build, create, learn...

When SL starts charging a monthly fee just to log in..

AnnOtooleInSL

You can only piss off millions for so long before the inevitable commences. If the LL board cares they will fix this before this year is out. After they figure out where all the money went because that shitty prototype viewer could not have cost much and... well what can I say... the whole stabilization thing.. all that money obviously did not buy a god damn UPS did it.

Forensic auditors FTW.

Yumi Murakami

I hate to say this again, Prok, but I think I should make it clear. LL did not, ever, issue any statement to mentors telling them to tell new people that "you don't need land to have fun".

They _did_ judge mentors by retention rate, and so many mentors wound up being excessively defensive. "You don't need land to have fun" was usually said to anyone who seemed to be complaining about land costing real money.

Prokofy Neva

Yes it did.

The card the Mentors distributed with newbie tips, approved by Linden Lab, said YOU DON'T NEED LAND TO HAVE FUN and Mentors who tended to be people either without land who hung out in infohubs and sandboxes or people with boutique stores on charter accounts who HATED land barons would steer newbies accordingly.

The Linden moderators of the forums let thread after thread stand on the old forums started specifically to bash and heckle Anshe Chung or other small land barons like me, despite their rule that you couldn't start hate threads on one person (they made an exception for land barons).

The Lindens themselves, especially the opensource software fanatics, constantly, systematically trashed the land business and would not respond to griefing of it.

The Lindens never, ever advertised their own land even, for years, never informing newbies in any welcome emails, advertising, website help, etc. that they could buy land. Newbies found this out basically from other residents who told them about the first land -- it was never advertised.

Don't forget that there were hardly any private islands in the early years, most activity was on the mainland.

The Lindens first heavily discouraged the land market by instilling the prim tax -- this led to prim hoarding and bitter complaints from "creatives" who had "no space" and led them to come up with a land selling model, which they did begrudgingly.

There was no conscious program to introduce *their own land* to newbies until about 2006-2007, when finally *one* of the stations on the orientation island contained a tutorial about land, but it, too, downplayed the market aspect and said "You don't need land to have fun".

Linden Lab periodically deliberately land-glutted on the auction to destroy Anshe's business, even though sometimes land went unbid on the auction.

And so on. There is no question that the Lindens heavily discouraged the land business, *even their own*, because they had an ideological viewpoint about the space which was anti-market and anti-capitalist.

In September 2004, on my first day in Second Life, I went to a town hall in which Philip actually encouraged rental agents to come into being (few had by that point) because he was trying desperately to hawk land *just as an expedient at that moment* because of a terrible crash of the market that summer that occurred when the Lindens first put in snow, which became terribly popular, then glutted snow, then land became scarce and higher priced (which at that time meant *gasp* $7.5 a meter) and oldbies began screaming bloody murder on the forums that the world was dying and crass commercial interests were entering and destroying culture. Sigh.

So the Lindens heavily land glutted during this period, Anshe ate up everything that glutted with and grew to mega proportions, as did Adam Zaius and then they turned their attention to the corporate invasion.

Udge Watanabe

I was one of the mentors you spoke about, but I don't recognize myself in your description. No Linden ever told me *anything* that I had to say to anyone on any topic. I was never given a party line to pass on.

I did tell the newborns that they didn't *need* to buy land or get a premium account, if they asked (most didn't), because IMHO those statements happen to be true.

In my experience, those who asked about land or premium accounts did so because they were scared: they feared that their free account would turn out to be a useless come-on to get them hooked into a future of huge payments. I was very glad to settle their fears on this point.

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