This thread on Sluniverse.com continues to deliver, with a remarkable display of oldbies and midbies of Second Life *standing up* to the Woodbury bullies and *calling their bullshit*. Of course, looking to Sluniverse.com for justice is bit like expecting a Sharia court to play fair, but that's all there is in Second Life -- the Lindens, and then these tribal elder courts, without due process, without even the plaintiff (me) able to appear in the court because I'm banned from Sluniverse.com lol.
I'm always, um, touched by the enormous sense of uh...fairness that these people have about the old forums, where they often invoke the notion of my banning from there due to the machinations of Pathfinder Linden, Torley Linden and other Lindens and oldbies like Hiro Pendragon as if it were some "just deserts". In their minds, the way you "deal with" someone who violates your sense of rightness and justice, such as it is, is first to out their real life information, especially if it involves an opposite gender outing, then get them banned for their comments about you by an overpowering executive force -- your punishment is just, in that worldview.
So many of the arguments "against Prok" come down to this one piece of "justice" which trumps everything for these people -- blah blah Prok Prok Prokety Prok and then -- "and then Prok was permabanned from the official forums, so there!" -- as if Linden law was really law for them; as if they didn't have, as Adric has pointed out in general about the masochistic SLintelligentsia, 412 other butthurt outrages about how "Linden law" rots, on so many other matters lol.
This is a strange notion, given that after being banned from the old forums and old Linden blog, I was simply reinstated without comment to both the newer and the newest forums and the Linden blogs. Those constantly invoking my banning as somehow an example of "justice" can never explain how I'd be posting *today* under a clearly more stringent regime. And the answer is simple: because I was wrongfully banned. There was no case against me. I haven't changed anything about how or what I post now reinstated. Of course, this is an arbitrary regime and could change at any moment for any reason or no reason, but the actuality is, the record of the old forums shows that there was nothing actionable in my posts. They just couldn't be borne as the home truths they were by the tekkies in charge and the geek chorus that formed the fan base then.
The thread has many interesting and touching moments, so I'd highly recommend it as a read. It delivers justice "pearls" like this one, from the foul-mouthed fucktard Siggy Romulus, in a direct hit to the Woodbury wool-pulling:
If it's just all for the lulz, getting butthurt when your wrist is slapped just makes you look pathetic and hypocritical.
Man up, take your lumps, and move on.
Basically, in the Game Sharia Court, actual civilized notions of right and wrong and universal human rights don't enter into play so much as various tribal doctrines and ritualistic beliefs, like "If you're going to say it's all for the lulz, don't QQ when you are caught, that isn't lulzing anymore". Still -- and this is where I appreciate it as far as it goes -- rough approximations of the Golden Rule surface in notions like "Do it on your own sim -- if you're taking it off your sim, then that's wrong".
This story would be over -- and is nearly over, at least for this round -- were it not for the Tizzers alt Joanna Falmer persisting in a self-justifying, haughty and whiney rant about why they were all "wrongfully" banned. Most of the rest of the other rats have slunk away; Jordan's Joanna alt keeps stumping.
Why do I say this is little Jordie's alt? Because I don't think anybody else except this little creep would bother to keep spending the enormous amount of time and effort required to grief me and justify his griefing of me, and because the account bears all the usual Tizzy attributes. There he is in a Soviet army gir's outfit, with no better place to hang out than Ross Infohub. This isn't a case of coming "a few times" and a matter of "helping newbies" -- everybody knows that if you really want to help newbies, you don't come to one of the lesser trafficked infohubs, you go where there is the most traffic and really help them, not word-salad against Prokofy. Joanna came to Ross *daily* -- *constantly*. As I have it set to home, I saw him there constantly. He and Wut Moorlord would hang out there, and occasionally some of the other freaks, but some of them are merely alts, too -- Joanna Gant is dressed in the exact same skins as Joanna Falmer (Falmer is banned from the people list; Gant is showing with no groups as if something is "up" with the account but it's still in the list). Maybe after a hash ban, this account can't be accessed even if the Lindens didn't get to banning it yet.
Another thing that Joanna Falmer did *daily* was come to the Ravenglass sim to the Woodbury "campus" and 'build" -- which usually consisted of rezzing a few squares and texturing them with derivative Soviet kitsch.
There are few people who care so much about the identity they get from Woodbury University as Tizzers, who clearly sees himself as the kind of cultural curator of this dysfunctional sub-cult. He's the one who put up the tombstones with the names Tizzers Foxchase and other banned WU regulars; he also fussed with the monument that says "Never Forget" which either he built, or at least snapped a lot. On the blog of Joanna Falmer, the record of the Ravenglass "campus" is posted by him -- because he's Tizzers. Nobody else bothers -- while occasionally a mob would riot there a few times a month, and about once a week there would be a PN attack or a sim crash on day-old alts, the people who came *daily* there to harass me in the last six months or so are Joanna Falmer and Yeehaw Ragu, both of whom behave like Hazim Gazov and Tizzers Foxchase and Alyx Stoklitsky (who used to hang out and appear on griefing raids much more often with Tizzy but then seemed to stop, or go on other alts). Falmer and Ragu even made a 'Public Relations Firm" which seemed to advertise only their names and their skills at making gigantic megaprim glowing red and green cubes to grief up the skyline at Ravenglass. Yeehaw and Wut could be Shaun Altman; Shaun is long since gone from the People list, so it's a good bet he has an active alt.
I have a group chat record of how many times Yeehaw Ragu was ejected from Ravenglass which he joined nearly every day. If Woodbury University isn't griefing me, why would he and Wut Moorlord and Joanna Falmer, who pulled the same stunt, need to join my open group *every day* and keep joing after being ejected lol? They did this merely to illustrate that "they can" -- duh, we all get it that if you don't want that, you can close your groups, but I don't chose to. Most people, if they were merely, um, conceptual art troupes or avant-garde guerilla griefer artists celebrating the "transgressive" as merely epater la bourgeoisie wouldn't be doing this -- why the daily joining, dailing stalking, daily grief-building? Makes no sense, unless, of course you are a psychopathic bully.
I assiduously AR'd Joanna for stalking and harassment. The Lindens likely don't qualify somebody coming to the same infohub as you happen to develop, and building on land next to you they have "lawfully" bought (it was a grief purchase, but the Lindens don't have a TOS offense for that exactly), etc. etc. an of course making a blog about you and obsessing about you on third-party sites they can't touch (and shouldn't). Even so, I thought it was a good thing to do to keep the record.
It was good to see that finally Joanna Falmer took a 7 day vacation from SL on a ban for something. I figured that like all Woodburies, he finally got caught sim crashing or doing something, likely unrelated to me. Because he and others were constantly griefing the bulletin board in Ross with annoying posts, I put up a post in retaliation that was exactly in their taunting vein: "Joanna Falma says hi and sowwies she can't come to the People List right now she's busy studying for law school exams."
Joanna was at that time affecting a status as a "law school student" -- something I hardly believe, any more than I believe that he is in "London" as he claims now.
In the "Chicken List" post, you can read one of my extremely rare prolonged conversations with these people. Normally, my default was to ignore them, mute them and never engage them. That's a useful tactic sometimes, and works sometimes. But, you can't use only one tactic on griefers (like you can't on terrorists, who aren't "the same" as griefers but are "like" them in *some respects* as to their *nature* and not their *manifestation*)
Here's what Joanna says to lie and distract on the Sluniverse thread:
I haven't admitted that WU members griefed Prok. I have admitted that WU members weren't always nice to Prok because she was not nice to them. I've never seen anyone griefing Prok, except when using Prok's own definition "griefing with their presence". Griefing is crashing sims, spamming particles or chat or otherwise causing severe disruption. WU members may have a trolled Prok a little in humorous ways. This doesn't make Woodbury University a griefer group, though.
As is well know, I don't accept the "no guilt by association" meme of these conspiratorial and deliberately networked group griefers, and Joanna being able to say literally and technically that he never crashed a sim on that account means nothing. Griefing is also not defined as merely crashing sims -- Tizzers flying around on a broom to heckle me and rezzing big squares with Soviet crap on them qualifies as "griefing" of course, although Tizzers constantly pretended he didn't do this, and loudly proclaimed on the Woodbury University group charter, "We do not condone violations of the TOS" blah blah.
Another method to use on griefers is to unexpectedly give them a taste of their own medicine, especially when they expect you never to do this, never to fight dirty, always to be a "victim," i.e. available to turn the other cheek as they bully.
So Joanna was definitely irritated when I pulled out a text from the strangely-well-informed Witness X character and pasted it into the chat, several times (the "90 lbs of boy" text). Suddenly, Tizzers was feeling what it was like to have his RL information pasted into chat all the time (something I've suffered for years from these people), and it bothered him.
It bothered him so much that later, when recounting this for the Sluniverse.com Sharia Court, his testimony *left out* the fact that this spam about the "personal details" was about Tizzers/Jordan Bellino, i.e. *him*. It's a pretty clear tell-tale clue that Joanna *is* Tizzers, if he can't bring himself to mention WHOSE RL info was being spouted (and BTW, Jordan himself links his accounts and his RL info on Facebook, and I personally have absolutely no qualms about connecting them for this serial psychopath, who, among other things, has used *my RL photograph* in *his RL Facebook* (is that sick or what?!)
Of course Joanna Falmer also regularly came to the Dam to grief the meetings there:
I have seen you and Tizzers both present when Woodbury members were spamming particles, chat and otherwise causing severe disruptions at one of Prok's Sutherland Dam meetings. I've only been to 3 of those meetings, all last year, and they were all disrupted. I only saw you and Tizzy Teardrop the last time(Nov. 13 2009) and you were with the people who did the disrupting just before they started.
Like I said, SLuni Sharia has its moments of greatness, eh?
HUMPS [whoever that is]
From my perspective the whole thing as been about poking them with a big stick whilst forcing them to take a look at themselves from an outside perspective.
When a group of people (any group of people) allow themselves to believe that the way they choose to interact with the platform is the only way worthy of validation, and when those people are more than happy to ridicule and dilute the experience of others who don't share their arrogance then it is time they were forced to see themselves as others see them.
That's really the essence of it, eh?
You seriously think anyone would care? Prok has already harassed the university for years by bombarding them with her daily e-mails about the Leninist conspiracy in a video game. I figure no one at Woodbury University take such people seriously.
Now, Joanna is sounding like Intlibber, as this is his common refrain. Indeed, these alt accounts could be used by multiple people in this tribalized group.
Of course, I did no such thing -- I wrote the dean, before Clift himself was the dean, a few years ago, about 2-3 times, and then in this latest round, I wrote perhas 3-4 emails tops, all of which were published or summarized here. I could hardly be writing "daily" about anything as trivial and as pointless as this matter in the scheme of things in my RL; it would hardly be effective even if I thought it *was* vital. I didn't write about any Leninist conspiracies, and it isn't about my tinfoil status but about the Leninist nature of the group itself (as sometimes a spoof; as sometimes real); in fact, I wrote about actual violations of the TOS, griefing, stalking, sim crashing, etc. I got first concerned responses, and promises to fix it promptly, then later responses showing the good administrator had been "worked over" by the word-salad chefs, and then got back actual concern again (after the pulling of Intlibber's many sims, I think the WU admin looked differently on Intlibber, although we can't be sure; we can't be sure if he is really still a student there; there was never any notice of his fabulous sports scholarship, which you think would be a huge even in this miniature department with about 4 people in this class, in this commuter college of 2,000 people, eh? Odd, that.
Now Mullah Lum weighs in at Sharia:
Originally Posted by Joanna Falmer View Post
This is a video game. This is not real.
Well, then why should anyone care if you and your friends have been banned from it? It's not real. Go outside. Go play another game. It doesn't matter. Right?
Oh. Wait. It's actually a human rights violation worthy of the ACLU's attention - but only if it happens to you.
See, that's as good as it gets in Game Sharia. Sharia BTW does deliver justice. Westerners may be made squeamish by the hand-chopping and adultress-stoning, but if you are a victim of a grotesque rape in Sudan, a Sharia court in the open field under the sun that might do something about this is better than nothing...
Lum manages first to make the ACLU and civil rights silly, although he really doesn't think that in RL and may even send them donations for their net neutrality campaign, but the only form of justice he can deliver in Sluni Sharia is to say "you are hypocritical! you violate the code of thieves among thieves!"
Mind you, I don't mean to knock Sluni Sharia as much as I'm doing here. It's a rough justice, but actually quite impressive. Some of the ideas aren't Sharia-like at all ("keep it on your own sim") and are un-Sharia like in the notion of pluralism and private spaces away from the globality of Islam for the believer.
But if there's one thing that as globalist as Sharia in the gamerz mind, it's "hypocrisy". "You say this, but did that". "You say it's just a game, but then now you want the ACLU to care about this game". But the reality is, under a universalist approach to the rule of law, a Western approach, you would say "Yes, it's a game *and* it should still have due process *and* the confiscation of property and free speech issues should be a human and civil rights issue". (The ACLU will not care about private property, but they will care, sometimes, about free speech). Funny, the ideas of justice people cobble together from...somewhere...and mix and match as it suits.
Originally Posted by Humps View Post
When Prok contacts the university it is harassment when you and your mob continue to impose yourselves on Prok it is lulzworthy. At least have the decency to measure your own behaviour with the same yardstick you use to measure that of others.
I have never contacted Prok in real life, or her employer or any institution affiliated with her. The worst thing I've done to her was playing Second Life, just like her, and coming to 3 or 4 of her public meetings without disrupting them in any way.
She on the contrary verbally abused me already the first time we met, even though I had never harmed her in any way and had only recently joined Woodbury University. I used to hang out with AWG people more than Woodbury people anyway. She harassed me repeatedly inworld and on her blog, making up lies about me "crashing the sim" and telling me like a schoolgirl that she was going to abuse report me constantly (uhm, ok). I don't feel sorry for her at all. She's a bully and a griefer who does her best to destroy other people's enjoyment of Second Life, and I couldn't care less if someone at some point "invaded her land" or "killed her chickens".
Oh, my lol.
Well, anyone could see from day one Joanna Falmer, coming regularly to heckle by being in Ravenglass and Ross, wasn't just some "newcomer to Woodbury just minding her own business" but one of the "frequent flyers". When Wut Moorlord said "hi, tizz" in chat -- he slipped up -- he said it when there was only Joanna Falmer there in front of him. Oops! Furiously, Joanna worked to get the Tizzy Teardrop account logged on, too, so it would seem like they were "separate people" ROFL. Classic sock puppet work.
So, there's the context for when Joanna Falmer claims she is "griefed" by Prokofy -- an obvious alt, a taste of his own medicine one time, an obviously reporting of alt abuse.
It's not correct that Prokofy is only doing her stuff on her blog. I've been griefed by Prokofy in Second Life several times.
1) Excessive verbal abuse on several occasions in local chat, including the first time I met her, even though I had never had any interaction with nor harmed her in any way. (I, on the other, have never verbally abused her in any way)
2) Spamming local chat on several occasions with excessive amounts of RL info on a different person.
3) Last year, Prokofy engineered the suspension of my account for "identify verification" (even though I had already used my credit card). My account was successfully ID verified after a few days and my account was reinstated. Meanwhile, Prokofy put up a note in the public LL infohub where she is allowed to build, bragging about it and disclosing real life information ("Joanna says 'hi' and 'sowwies', she is super busy right now [something about my RL activities] and can't be on the people list").
4) Prokofy used a big prim to deliberately attack/push my avatar on at least one occasion. My avatar was completely idle at the time. (I, on the other hand, have never attacked her avatar in any way).
Prokofy has been banned from the official Second Life forum and blog, from a bunch of other forums, and even from the bug tracker, the P-JIRA (I'm not aware of anyone else who managed to get banned from the P-JIRA). That's because she is a griefer, and the only reason she isn't banned from Second Life per se, is the amount of protection money she spends.
Protection money? There's a place where I could pay the Lindens protection money? Why haven't I heard about this before?! Of course, there are loads of people shut out and banned from the JIRA, but gosh, what about this HAWWABLE griefing with a "big prim"?!
This is a reference to Joanna hanging directly behind the ban lines at the Sutherland Dam, as we have seen him countless times, and putting up various harassment signs and texts and whatnot, which is merely blocked by me by rezzing a 10 x 10 prim to block the view of the hecklers lol. That's hardly griefing -- putting up a block of the view of a dozen people standing right on the edge of your land's borders, peering in from Linden safe haven land to heckle you. And that's why, when someone in the Sharia Court bench says "And where did this griefing with a big prim take place?" the respondent Falmer has no answer...
It's like the frequent cry of the Woodburies that I deliberately bump them, and then AR them for bumping. Of course, there's nothing like that, although that's what *they* do from time to time, knowing full well that now the Lindens don't police bumping -- it no longer shows as an automatic on the viewer AR as it used to, more's the pity.
Like my banning from the old forums, my banning from the JIRA is another injustice engineered by Soft Linden (extremist opensourcenik) and Alexa Linden (a sore loser). Torley was the one who "discliplined" me for "editing wars" even though Torley doesn't run the JIRA -- he was merely wrecking vengeance again when he had a chance (he had long ago banned me from the Linden blog over my sharp questions to Cory Linden about allowing reverse engineering of the viewer for his pals in libsl).
Well, that's enough on all this -- you get the idea lol. Joanna is a vicious little fiction, yet another story told by the 90 lbs of boy in 100 lbs of body...