I gotta love these cross-cultural experiences of Second Life.
Among the virtual communities I run there's one I named Free Tibet, which has a long and astounding history, given all the enormous amount of bullshit that one can encounter around the words "Free" and "Tibet" and of course "Free Tibet" put together.
There's a typical sort of type I encounter that comes in this group and doesn't read the charter (it's open for the convenience of people to use the sim but it charges $4 to pay for the ad advertising the public space and the marketplace). That is, most people visiting here don't join the group or seek to join it, unless they are doing something there, i.e. perhaps putting out prims for a meeting, regularly coming to play the board games or meditate or visit the temple. But I have a requirement that unless you are a paying tenant or events organizer, you can't join the group, because it's not a hang-out group. I kick out people who join regularly so that it won't automatically debit them the $4 a week in group fees, so they won't bitch, and also before reimbursing the group if the fees run over, which they sometimes do if there is a special ad.
The typical sort is lefty European in SL, squatter type of mentality, every Free this and that group on their profile, every sort of Buddhist, environmental green cause they can wedge in there, and then of course Free Tibet where they hope they can get free things and generally be...free. There's a particular type I seem to draw who throw a fit when ejected from this *open* group that *tells you its purpose on its charter* and if you have business there, you can *rejoin the open group*. And the complainers are often the type that have BDSM, escort service, nude beach, etc. in their profile, too because they combine Buddism with prostitution, as only the Second Lifer can do lol.
Anyway, the one I got today in this vein was quite a handful. She told me she was a Russian Muslim, and proceded to bitch and screech about being expelled from this group, calling me every name in the book.
She started with the concept that all such free-loving Free Tibet free spirits start with, which is, "OMG you are charging money, you dirty filthy swine, how evil". Of course, this sim doesn't even break even sometimes if it doesn't fill up, and the prices are deliberately cheap to create a spiritual kind of atmosphere, but sorry, there is a cost of tier, and even if I wanted to make a fortune from this sim, that would be my right.
I tell her that I'm not here to serve her vanity and provide her fabulous titles to posture with, and she can move along.
When she doesn't move along, and keeps IMing me irate messages with how irate she is that she was expelled from this group, and isn't it terrible, and aren't I evil, and Tibet should be quiet, and not have people like me in it blah blah, I tell her more forcefully to move along, with her painted nails (she belongs to a Nails shopping group) and her lovers (she belongs to some lovers' date group) and her Buddism, and find, um, peace elsewhere.
From there, she begins to wind up the punch and pretty soon is telling me that I must be Jewish. Heh, didn't wait for long for the antisemitism to come roaring down the track with this one! When that gambit doesn't work, she swings around and tells me first that I must be a faggot, next that I must be a pedophile, and finally that she is certain I must be an old lady.
LOL.
I keep reiterating that she's a low-life and an idiot, and that I didn't realize communism and racism were still so popular, I thought the Soviet Union was over, she keeps persisting.
I marvel at this free-floating hatred of commerce, then Jews, then gays -- always available seething under the surface to be mined by these brainless children of the Soviet legacy. Awful stuff, really.
The Better Worlding types think that the cross-cultural experience of SL must be about swooning into and embracing this sort of leftist dipshit Euro-sillyness of secular Westernized Buddism (and even in her case, it's Westernized Buddism lol). Sorry, but I'm not buying it. I think it needs a strong and sturdy pushback. You want cross-cultural experiences? I'm here to provide them, too : )
Honestly, the clash of civilizations doesn't have a more ideal place to take place than Second Life, where generally you are free from being harassed directly in real life or harmed by somebody actually picking up a real weapon (although they can crash your viewer or sim temporarily). So I'm all for having it with people like this. I think this sort of small-minded, nasty insularity we see more and more in Russia needs to be countered on an individual basis whenever possible.
Among the virtual communities I run there's one I named Free Tibet, which has a long and astounding history, given all the enormous amount of bullshit that one can encounter around the words "Free" and "Tibet" and of course "Free Tibet" put together.
There's a typical sort of type I encounter that comes in this group and doesn't read the charter (it's open for the convenience of people to use the sim but it charges $4 to pay for the ad advertising the public space and the marketplace). That is, most people visiting here don't join the group or seek to join it, unless they are doing something there, i.e. perhaps putting out prims for a meeting, regularly coming to play the board games or meditate or visit the temple. But I have a requirement that unless you are a paying tenant or events organizer, you can't join the group, because it's not a hang-out group. I kick out people who join regularly so that it won't automatically debit them the $4 a week in group fees, so they won't bitch, and also before reimbursing the group if the fees run over, which they sometimes do if there is a special ad.
The typical sort is lefty European in SL, squatter type of mentality, every Free this and that group on their profile, every sort of Buddhist, environmental green cause they can wedge in there, and then of course Free Tibet where they hope they can get free things and generally be...free. There's a particular type I seem to draw who throw a fit when ejected from this *open* group that *tells you its purpose on its charter* and if you have business there, you can *rejoin the open group*. And the complainers are often the type that have BDSM, escort service, nude beach, etc. in their profile, too because they combine Buddism with prostitution, as only the Second Lifer can do lol.
Anyway, the one I got today in this vein was quite a handful. She told me she was a Russian Muslim, and proceded to bitch and screech about being expelled from this group, calling me every name in the book.
She started with the concept that all such free-loving Free Tibet free spirits start with, which is, "OMG you are charging money, you dirty filthy swine, how evil". Of course, this sim doesn't even break even sometimes if it doesn't fill up, and the prices are deliberately cheap to create a spiritual kind of atmosphere, but sorry, there is a cost of tier, and even if I wanted to make a fortune from this sim, that would be my right.
I tell her that I'm not here to serve her vanity and provide her fabulous titles to posture with, and she can move along.
When she doesn't move along, and keeps IMing me irate messages with how irate she is that she was expelled from this group, and isn't it terrible, and aren't I evil, and Tibet should be quiet, and not have people like me in it blah blah, I tell her more forcefully to move along, with her painted nails (she belongs to a Nails shopping group) and her lovers (she belongs to some lovers' date group) and her Buddism, and find, um, peace elsewhere.
From there, she begins to wind up the punch and pretty soon is telling me that I must be Jewish. Heh, didn't wait for long for the antisemitism to come roaring down the track with this one! When that gambit doesn't work, she swings around and tells me first that I must be a faggot, next that I must be a pedophile, and finally that she is certain I must be an old lady.
LOL.
I keep reiterating that she's a low-life and an idiot, and that I didn't realize communism and racism were still so popular, I thought the Soviet Union was over, she keeps persisting.
I marvel at this free-floating hatred of commerce, then Jews, then gays -- always available seething under the surface to be mined by these brainless children of the Soviet legacy. Awful stuff, really.
The Better Worlding types think that the cross-cultural experience of SL must be about swooning into and embracing this sort of leftist dipshit Euro-sillyness of secular Westernized Buddism (and even in her case, it's Westernized Buddism lol). Sorry, but I'm not buying it. I think it needs a strong and sturdy pushback. You want cross-cultural experiences? I'm here to provide them, too : )
Honestly, the clash of civilizations doesn't have a more ideal place to take place than Second Life, where generally you are free from being harassed directly in real life or harmed by somebody actually picking up a real weapon (although they can crash your viewer or sim temporarily). So I'm all for having it with people like this. I think this sort of small-minded, nasty insularity we see more and more in Russia needs to be countered on an individual basis whenever possible.
Here's the transcript. Enjoy.
[2010/06/01 6:00] Prokofy Neva: Kama Mhia has been ejected from 'Free Tibet' by Prokofy Neva.
2010/06/01 11:46] Kama Mhia: (Saved Tue Jun 01 10:31:01 2010) for what? For that I for free Tibet?*
[2010/06/01 11:46] Kama Mhia: (Saved Tue Jun 01 10:33:00 2010) I was in a temple! for the visit of temple never claimed payment
[2010/06/01 11:48] Prokofy Neva: Stop posturing and playing the victim. No one has asked you to pay money to visit a temple (!). But you don't have to join a group to visit the temple, either. The group is for paying tenants of *the houses and stores*. And that's ok, and it's perfectly fine, and we don't live in some socialist commerce-free utopia. This group is for people who *live here* or who wish to use the *events space*. If you don't in those categories, you don't need to join the group! Make your own group if you need a fabulous title to show off your wonderfulness. This group charges $5 a week to remain a member. So we expel people who don't figure out how to leave on their own after using the space. End of story.
[2010/06/01 11:48] Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[2010/06/02 10:46] Kama Mhia: (Saved Wed Jun 02 12:11:43 2010) As much words...for the sake of that to show what you important. Can and will do the group ) Why it is not. I in SL only 1 month!
[2010/06/02 10:46] Kama Mhia: (Saved Wed Jun 02 12:12:14 2010) it is not needed so boasts your group...
[2010/06/02 10:46] Kama Mhia: (Saved Wed Jun 02 12:13:04 2010) Forgive! I here quite recently. And I had time yet to think where to do the house.
[2010/06/02 10:46] Kama Mhia: (Saved Wed Jun 02 12:13:28 2010) Wicked people are in Tebete.
[2010/06/02 10:46] Kama Mhia: (Saved Wed Jun 02 12:48:40 2010) Прокофий )
[2010/06/02 10:59] Prokofy Neva: It isn't about boasting. It's about managing a sim properly. I'm not required to support your vanity. Go find another group.
[2010/06/02 10:59] Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[2010/06/02 11:00] Prokofy Neva: Read the group charter. Can you read? EVen if you are new, it does not entitle you to demand membership in other groups. That's crazy. What an excuse!
[2010/06/02 11:00] Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[2010/06/02 11:35] Kama Mhia: you very aggressive ...If did that bad, it means I do not have experience. Let us be kind each other in SL
[2010/06/02 11:39] Kama Mhia: I do not know all of rules while. Therefore it is not needed to swear. Tibet must be quiet.
[2010/06/02 11:39] Prokofy Neva: No, you're very aggressive. You join a group that states clearly that it is just for those renting or holding events, even if open. You are expelled from this group properly. You then bitch about it over and over again, even when it is told that you are thus spared being charged $4 a week. So knock it off and stop being an ass.
[2010/06/02 11:39] Prokofy Neva: It's not about rules, it's about you being a vain and pompous ass, stop it.
[2010/06/02 11:40] Prokofy Neva: You then piously spout New Age nonsense about "being kind" and "Tibet being quiet" that has nothing to do with Tibet, but only your vanity.
[2010/06/02 11:40] Kama Mhia: dear Friend ! Unfortunately I do not know an angiyskiy language. And understand not everything, that is written on shields.
[2010/06/02 11:40] Prokofy Neva: Take your warmed-over Westernized Buddhism and move along dear.
[2010/06/02 11:41] Prokofy Neva: Go have your nails done, go to your Lovers Retreat and sign over your Buddhism, and leave me alone.
[2010/06/02 14:58] Kama Mhia: (Saved Wed Jun 02 14:42:49 2010) I do not have words. I am from Russia. I am a moslem. I simply love a buddhism..tibet, indiyu. Why do you beat me?
[2010/06/02 14:58] Kama Mhia: (Saved Wed Jun 02 14:44:17 2010) you got off from a mind.. What lovers? o-o
[2010/06/02 14:58] Kama Mhia: (Saved Wed Jun 02 14:45:16 2010) you will forgive me, that I do not know English. And did not read an entering rule into your group
[2010/06/02 14:58] Kama Mhia: (Saved Wed Jun 02 14:47:29 2010) Who you! Why you pour dirt on me! you are a not buddhist!
[2010/06/02 14:58] Kama Mhia: (Saved Wed Jun 02 14:47:45 2010) I in RL did not hear so much pettiness, that heard from you! you are a frightful man! I to you talk it as a senior comrade
[2010/06/02 14:58] Prokofy Neva: Вот сука! Пошла вон! ваши ногти окрашены, и ваш фальшивый буддизма. Вы напрасно, претенциозное существо с чрезмерном смысле права.
[2010/06/02 14:58] Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[2010/06/02 21:48] Kama Mhia: идиот.
[2010/06/02 21:48] Prokofy Neva: dura
[2010/06/02 21:48] Kama Mhia: сукин сын!
[2010/06/02 21:48] Kama Mhia: торгаш!
[2010/06/02 21:48] Prokofy Neva: neodikvatnaya kakaya to, poshla von
[2010/06/02 21:48] Kama Mhia: неудачливый коммерсант!
[2010/06/02 21:49] Prokofy Neva: LOL
[2010/06/02 21:49] Prokofy Neva: dura
[2010/06/02 21:49] Kama Mhia: неадекватный ЭТО ТЫ! ты начал писать мне гадости!
[2010/06/02 21:49] Kama Mhia: грязь всю лить
[2010/06/02 21:49] Kama Mhia: Дурак
[2010/06/02 21:49] Kama Mhia: неудачливый мужик
[2010/06/02 21:49] Prokofy Neva: kakaya-to neodikvatka, deistviltel'no
[2010/06/02 21:49] Kama Mhia: был бы ты удачлив, то был бы нормальный, спокойный.
[2010/06/02 21:49] Prokofy Neva: budu pisat' o tebe
[2010/06/02 21:50] Kama Mhia: у тебя в профиле сплошная реклама.
[2010/06/02 21:50] Prokofy Neva: um, nyet. vsy prekrasno. Eto u tebya chustvo nepolnotsennosti
[2010/06/02 21:50] Kama Mhia: еще ТЫ говришь о буддизме. Да тебе близко нельзя к буддузму
[2010/06/02 21:51] Prokofy Neva: um, biznes, eto khoroshaya vesh'. eto kormit semyu. A ty eshche mechtaesh' o kommunisme?!
[2010/06/02 21:51] Prokofy Neva: dura
[2010/06/02 21:51] Kama Mhia: больной...
[2010/06/02 21:51] Kama Mhia: нет слов
[2010/06/02 21:51] Kama Mhia: дурак
[2010/06/02 21:51] Kama Mhia: пиши
[2010/06/02 21:51] Kama Mhia: в дурку тебе надо
[2010/06/02 21:51] Kama Mhia: срочно
[2010/06/02 21:51] Kama Mhia: везду буду писать о тебе
[2010/06/02 21:51] Prokofy Neva: Ya ne govoyu o buddisme dusha moya, eto ti govorish, i krashish' nogti LOL
[2010/06/02 21:51] Kama Mhia: всем твоим друзьям, группам
[2010/06/02 21:51] Prokofy Neva: pishi pishi na zdorovye
[2010/06/02 21:52] Kama Mhia: Тольок РУССКИЙ может вот так своего убивать
[2010/06/02 21:52] Prokofy Neva: Er, Ya ne russkiy
[2010/06/02 21:52] Kama Mhia: не один народ на такое не способен
[2010/06/02 21:52] Kama Mhia: еврей
[2010/06/02 21:52] Prokofy Neva: a ty idiotka shto li, ishchesh kommunizm
[2010/06/02 21:52] Prokofy Neva: um, nyet ne evrey -- a ty typichanaya antisemitka
[2010/06/02 21:52] Kama Mhia: идиоотт
[2010/06/02 21:52] Kama Mhia: какой нах коммунизм??
[2010/06/02 21:52] Kama Mhia: дедуля
[2010/06/02 21:53] Prokofy Neva: vot shto Sovetskiy soyuz proizvodil za eti godi, takiye bolvany kak ty
[2010/06/02 21:53] Prokofy Neva: uzhas kakoit to
[2010/06/02 21:53] Kama Mhia: дедуля
[2010/06/02 21:53] Prokofy Neva: mamulya, zatknis
[2010/06/02 21:53] Kama Mhia: педик
[2010/06/02 21:53] Prokofy Neva: *rolls eyes*
[2010/06/02 21:53] Kama Mhia: через тернии видать что с ссср выехал в 90 годы
[2010/06/02 21:53] Prokofy Neva: poshla ty so svoye "buddism"
[2010/06/02 21:53] Kama Mhia: в каждом слове ненависть
[2010/06/02 21:54] Kama Mhia: гавно ты
[2010/06/02 21:54] Kama Mhia: ты педик и гомик
[2010/06/02 21:54] Kama Mhia: по твоей еве видать кто ты
[2010/06/02 21:54] Kama Mhia: иди трахайся с мужиками
[2010/06/02 21:54] Kama Mhia: ужас какой то
[2010/06/02 21:54] Kama Mhia: зайди в СЛ и увидить Прокофия,..
[2010/06/02 21:54] Kama Mhia: кошмарный рекламист
[2010/06/02 21:55] Prokofy Neva: um, esli ty krichish "torgash" i esche "pedik" i "gomik" i "evrei," kto sumeshchedity rasist i voobshchev gadina?
[2010/06/02 21:55] Kama Mhia: наверное у тебя проблемы с женщинами, если ты так злишься
[2010/06/02 21:55] Prokofy Neva: Mmm da
[2010/06/02 21:55] Kama Mhia: торгаш, педик, гомик, рекламист ..еще и педофил
[2010/06/02 21:55] Kama Mhia: все вы такие
[2010/06/02 21:55] Kama Mhia: Ненаормальные
[2010/06/02 21:55] Kama Mhia: был бы номальный не писал бы гадости незнакому человек
[2010/06/02 21:56] Kama Mhia: кошмар
[2010/06/02 21:56] Prokofy Neva: um, eto ty pishesh gadosti, dura
[2010/06/02 21:56] Prokofy Neva: poshla von
[2010/06/02 21:56] Kama Mhia: Нут жу, это ТЫ пишешь галости
[2010/06/02 21:56] Kama Mhia: или педик и ли баба
[2010/06/02 21:56] Kama Mhia: по почерку видать НЕ МУЖЧИНА ТЫ
[2010/06/02 21:56] Kama Mhia: пошла вон
[2010/06/02 21:56] Kama Mhia: баба
[2010/06/02 21:57] Kama Mhia: Не один нормальный мужчина на ЭТО не споксобен. Тетка ты
[2010/06/02 21:57] Prokofy Neva: vot uroven' mentaliteta na Rusi
[2010/06/02 21:57] Prokofy Neva: neodikvatka, racism, idiotism polneishiy
[2010/06/02 21:57] Kama Mhia: идиот
[2010/06/02 21:58] Kama Mhia: ты это ПРО СЕБЯ же говришь
[2010/06/02 21:58] Kama Mhia: ты хоть читай ЧТО ты пишешь то
[2010/06/02 21:58] Kama Mhia: баба ты. Иди меняй аву. Нах обманывать людей.
[2010/06/02 21:58] Kama Mhia: не мужик за версту видать
[2010/06/02 21:58] Prokofy Neva: LOL
[2010/06/02 21:58] Kama Mhia: ага лол
[2010/06/02 21:58] Kama Mhia: дурак
[2010/06/02 21:59] Kama Mhia: ты сам начал, теперь слушай
[2010/06/02 21:59] Prokofy Neva: um, nyet
[2010/06/02 21:59] Prokofy Neva: ya uzhe ponimayu uroven' zdes'
[2010/06/02 21:59] Kama Mhia: я нормально тебе объяснила, что и как. Почему получилась такая ошибка, а ты урод стал мне писать гадости про ЛЮБОВНИКОВ!)
[2010/06/02 21:59] Kama Mhia: это нормально??
[2010/06/02 21:59] Prokofy Neva: poka, dorogaya MUTE
[2010/06/02 21:59] Kama Mhia: у тебя мало любовников ?
[2010/06/02 21:59] Kama Mhia: дура
ROFL!! ZOMG! While I was so tempted to translate the Cyrillic I'll just take your synopsis.
I wish I could have been a fly on her rl wall when you IMed her in Russian...I'm sure her perception of a (edited quotes:) swine, Jew, faggot, pedophile, old woman, hateful man, senior comrade
{Did I miss any?}
Didn't include a linguist.
Posted by: brinda Allen | June 03, 2010 at 01:37 PM
I loved that too, that Prok IM'd her in Russian. Must've been quite a shock. Of course Prok could've saved himself the stress by just saying ok fine, stay in the group then, and pay the $4 per week. She would have exited and run screaming down the street soon enough.......sometimes you just have to allow people to learn the hard way when you try, and they just don't get it.
Posted by: Treasure Ballinger | June 03, 2010 at 04:05 PM
It's funny that you two aren't criticizing me for saying this, as being "rude":
Stop posturing and playing the victim. No one has asked you to pay money to visit a temple (!). But you don't have to join a group to visit the temple, either. The group is for paying tenants of *the houses and stores*. And that's ok, and it's perfectly fine, and we don't live in some socialist commerce-free utopia. This group is for people who *live here* or who wish to use the *events space*. If you don't in those categories, you don't need to join the group! Make your own group if you need a fabulous title to show off your wonderfulness. This group charges $5 a week to remain a member. So we expel people who don't figure out
See, that's the argumentation, that what I say here is "rude".
And my answer to that is, but what this person has done prior to my "rudeness" is the following:
o they've joined a group that no one asked them to join, and was not required to join merely to visit a place
o there are no group joiners there
o the land is open and so is the group
o the group charter, which you couldn't help but see when you pressed on ACTIVATE at some point, spells out very clearly in all caps DO NOT JOIN THIS GROUP UNLESS...
o even allowing for their bad English, this person assumed that if I expelled them from a group, and said it was for paying *tenants* only, that I was therefore a greedy swine who was collecting money to visit a temple. But...there is nothing remotely like that. There's a voluntary tip jar for the group that maintains the temple, a different group, and one for my SL Public Land Preserve. And that's ok. Tier needs to get paid.
o then having all this explained, the person starts in with the whole menu -- capitalism, Jews, pedophiles, faggots.
Posted by: Prokofy | June 03, 2010 at 09:37 PM
The reason it wasn't rude is because this conversation didn't even need to take place. Where do you find these people, Prok? She didn't need to join the group in the first place, and had she read the charter, that should have been clear. You said there were no group joiners which means she really had to go looking for this group. So, she found it, she misunderstood it and she joined it; you ejected her which was actually a favor, saved her a few lindens; and she started in on you. Because, she didn't get it. And with some people that will always be the bottom line, they just don't get it. And that's too bad. And kind of scary. Because it really wasn't all that hard.
Posted by: Treasure Ballinger | June 04, 2010 at 12:32 AM
I never see being kicked out of a group as a 'favor'. that in itself is rude, especially without an IM explaining why. Personally I find leaving a group open to join but that 'isn't supposed to be joined' pretty much an act of griefing in itself. The whole situation is basically asking for this to happen.
Posted by: Darien Caldwell | June 04, 2010 at 11:40 AM
I disagree. There isn't a group joiner, as I pointed out, and you'd have to consciously look for the group in search/groups to find it. If you did that much, you'd have to see the charter the first time you clicked on it, describing it, saying DO NOT JOIN THIS GROUP at the very top unless you are a tenant, and explaining also the $4 charge.
I think that's just geeky mechanicality and literalism to describe an open group as a "form of griefing" if it isn't meant "for everybody to be fabulous in". It's open *for the convenience of those using it for its purpose*. If someone wants to come in and use the buildings and rez a prim somewhere, they can. If someone wants to rent right away and start decorating, they can without queueing up waiting for an offline landlord to come online. Then I add ban powers to them and media powers.
If someone wants to organize and event and put it in the events list, they can do so without having to wait for someone to invite them by being online. Closed groups are a huge pain in the ass, and cost customers huge amounts of time and money -- they leave, even paying a cancellation fee, if they can't get their group invitation. I have waited 2 days for mall owners to show up and give me an invitation, the clock ticking on my paid money the whole time. I find that awful. I want merchants to come in, rent, and start selling immediately without being dependent. If somebody wants to leave a prayer flag or a flower, I want them to be able to do that.
But I will kick out people who join *just for the fabulous group and title to posture with* because they are merely exploiting it. If I see that in fact someone is an actual visitor using the place, i.e. a regular game player or temple helper or something, I don't expel them, and of course if they are a paying tenant.
But somebody whose groups include FREE EVERYTHING AND NOW THIS FREE THING TOO is expelled before they have a chance to send me an angry IM about being docked $4.
That's how I wish to organize it, and MOST PEOPLE get it. I get these kind of belligerent assholes only about 3-4 times a year, and I instantly blog about it as a deterrent : )
In this case, a person who doesn't read English might be understood. But I find that in most cases of people who don't read English (and therefore tend to tune out English instructions) say "Oh, sorry" and just move on their way. It's not as if there aren't a gadzillion other Tibet groups to join, and not as if they can't spend $100 and make one themselves with their friends!
I have to weigh the advantages here: dozens of tenants, merchants, and event planners getting the constant open use of this space, and seeing that it daily gets all kinds of visitors, and occasionally even gets events, not to mention paying tenants and their friends, who do stuff like put up landscaping and beautify the area versus a handful of entitlement-happy freaks who bang on me incessantly with screeching about me "exploting" the Tibet cause.
And, I know which thing I pick. I pick the ease of use of the larger group of people benefiting.
Posted by: Prokofy | June 04, 2010 at 12:16 PM
@Darien; I eject people regularly out of one of my groups. The group is an 'Artist's Rez Group' for artists that are actually exhibiting at this time, in our gallery. When their exhibit is over, and I am moving on to set up a new exhibit, there's no more need for them to have rez rights there, and it's time to add the new artists who will be exhibiting next. Someone always, always gets upset about being ejected from that group, even though to me, it's obvious why. The automated 'eject' message that a person gets when they're ejected is kind of harsh, could be a little gentler perhaps. So, yeah, I do send along an IM explaining (again) why they're being removed from the group, and thanking them for their participation. I hope that softens the blow a little, some remain upset, anyway....I really think it's the wording of the thing, but I don't think it's rude that I do it, it's the only way to manage the group.
Posted by: Treasure Ballinger | June 04, 2010 at 12:30 PM
Gee, I really did get a laugh out of this whole thing ...
I'm not going to bother reading the entire IM log as there is no need to do so: It is opened with a harshly worded message from the group owner in response to someone whose grasp of English is piss poor at best.
Yep, fault all around ....
However there is never an excuse to send the sort of message you did after being sent two lines of text, with nothing inflammatory in it.
Way to go!
Maybe next time you'll do the smart thing and hit eject, respond to the questions without being a fuckwad, and then hit mute before things get out of hand.
Of course, you could always respond as you did in this case .... and then simply hit mute so you don't have to deal with it anymore.
Hmm, both of those are very novel and intelligent ideas! Wait .... that means you will not do either. Ah well!
Posted by: Sean Williams | June 04, 2010 at 01:00 PM