Yavanna Llanfair is Just as Bad as AnneMarie Otoole -- Maybe Worse

Another arrogant bitch much like AnneMarie Otoole, filling up the highways and byways with her scripted unmanned pod vehicles. (see below).

I first started seeing these on the roads around Ravenglass and Maryport -- now I see them everywhere. I just saw one dart across some water -- then I saw one flying through a field. I inspected the creator, and I see it's this person who I've heard people describe as the "better" version of AnneMarie because they think the vehicles, being small little pods, are less intrusive. They're not.

Here's my conversation:

-- Instant message logging enabled --
[17:15]  Prokofy Neva: Get your crap off the highways of SL
[17:16]  Yavanna Llanfair: Excuse me?
[17:16]  Prokofy Neva: Um, no, I won't. Why do you think you have eminent domain with your pod vehicles????
[17:16]  Prokofy Neva: You're as bad as AnneMarie Otoole
[17:16]  Prokofy Neva: worse, because you think you're better
[17:16]  Prokofy Neva: I'm abuse reporting you
[17:17]  Yavanna Llanfair: If you can't have a civil discussion about them, I will simply mute you
[17:17]  Prokofy Neva: Mute away cupcake, you're on the list to get rid of right after AnneMarie
[17:17]  Yavanna Llanfair: I am always happy to discuss rationally with people about them
[17:17]  Yavanna Llanfair: I think your language and attitude is in itself ARable, don't you?
[17:17]  Prokofy Neva: No, there's no rational discussion you can have with assholes who fill up public highways with their own scripted vehicles as a form mof vanity
[17:17]  Prokofy Neva: and self-advertisement
[17:17]  Prokofy Neva: It's really atrocious
[17:17]  Prokofy Neva: and I expose it readily
[17:18]  Yavanna Llanfair: Ooh yes, I just asked a friend... you are well known and disliked in the forums. So I suppose it figures
[17:18]  Prokofy Neva: You're well known and disliked on all the highways and byways
[17:18]  Prokofy Neva: far worse an offense
[17:18]  Yavanna Llanfair: FYI, the pods are Linden approved. You are now muted

[17:20]  Yavanna Llanfair: Should you wish to talk to me in a more civilised way, you are welcome to apologise through a friend, and I will unmute you

Um, Linden approved? How so? What the fuck is this all about? Why do the Lindens approve vehicles to take up the highways like this???

I see Holocluck, who is a bit of an obsessive, has written a lengthy and complex petition against these things. That's all good, but it should have been simplified.

The question is that if you try to make this generic, then, the Lindens will feel like they "can't" adjudicate it because there are too many generics like it. For example, their own unmanned scripted ferries. Or the flights from Abbotts Aerodrome (but wait...wasn't that closing? Or being sold? Or...?)

And of course, there are even Jer Straaf's ferries and planes coming out of Free Tibet! They go on a route, and I haven't heard any complaints, If I did get complaints, I'd remove them. They run a route on Linden water. People seem to enjoy them. But there are people who likely enjoy AnneMarie Otool's cars too...maybe the first or third or 10th time, then the get awful, because there are too many, and they just keep coming and coming relentlessly.

The Lindens often paint themselves into a corner like this, thinking of things generically, and thinking they "can't" do things or "their hands are tied" (that's why they spent 4 years inflicting the Bush guy and the ad farmers on us.)

But you know, they can make policies and judgements and individual decisions -- the AnneMarie Otoole -- and clearly this Yavanna Llanfair who is no different --

What is MOST hugely annoying about these assholes is this sense of high and mighty  privilege and pride of place and eminent domain, as I call it, for their scripted items. They act as if you're the problem, if you don't grasp this, and aren't "civil" (note the typical geeky arrogant gambit coming from Yavanna Llanfair in the convo).

What can you do with these people? Well, keep complaining, ARing, naming and shaming, petitioning.

Comments

[melponeme_k]

LL won't do a thing about it. It will go on and on until some employee decides to make it his/her TO DO quest on their personal work sheet reports.

As soon as it hits critical mass and it looks good enough to get an employee kudos for solving it, then we will see it fixed.

[June Trefoil]

"The question is that if you try to make this generic, then, the Lindens will feel like they "can't" adjudicate it because there are too many generics like it."

I guess it's the script methods that distinguish things like the pods from AnnMarie's cars. Yavanna's pods are very well-behaved and follow a well-worn path like some of the other automated vehicles. On one tour they even stopped at the traffic light! The ride is very smooth, SL allowing. And they stay away from private property.

From your statement yeah you're right, what exactly is LL supposed to rule on? I can't support banning all automated vehicles. Do they ban a script method? But what if those LSL commands have some other useful and inoffensive function?

I only object when AnnMarie's cars get stuck on private property. I only object to any automated cars when there are too many. Then they get boring which is not a good thing in SL.

[Prokofy Neva]

June, they aren't well-behaved. I see them flying in the air too. That's because any scripted device will do that.

It doesn't matter if they "behave better". They are ugly -- and they fill up the roads. Some people might find pods "cool" -- but when they go racing through sims that are not set in the future like the Jetsons, but are quaint cottages of the past or suburbia, they aren't in theme. And most people chose those more normal themes than "pods" for their "look".

It's invasive and stupid.

I don't object merely about private property or script usage; to me, the worst thing about these vehicles is the frequency and the constancy of their intrusion into the view. They other creepy thing is that they are unmanned. In months and months of seeing these nuisances, I've only *once* seen them with a tenant ride them. Most people do NOT enjoy them. Most people prefer buying their own vehicle to tool around in.

It would be one thing if the cars had PEOPLE in them, so that you could talk to them and it would be fun to socialize on a Sunday afternoon.

But they don't. Every few minutes they come racing through...*just because they can*.

There's no reason why you can't satisfy your yen to place your vanity scripted items all over SL with...something that doesn't come so frequently. It could come once an hour or every half hour and prove your point.

There's a simple rule for this that could be put in a JIRA, and would accommodate the rides even that I have, or the Lindens have, that aren't intrusive, and still enable people to have cars available:

1. You must rez them on land you own of at least 512, i.e. no ad farms (they began as real estate ads for one person, remember, and continued as tip jars and sales devices for AnneMarie to sell the vehicles). The Lindens own their own Governor Linden land, they rez their ferries, etc. on their own land.

2. They must move only on demand, i.e. only when an avatar clicks on them for "go".

This last bit may not be doable in LSL for some reason. There are fairies you can click ROAM on; there are vehicles that don't move until you sit in them and click GO but I'm not sure how you make a "go" for third parties. Even so, it is likely possible.

That would reduce the clutter enormously. No vehicle would be going anywhere unless it had a person in it who wanted it actually sight-seeing.

The idea that people use these pods for sight-seeing is ridiculous. They don't. Hundreds of them go by empty with no people in them, they are just clutter.

[Rex Cronon]

"2. They must move only on demand, i.e. only when an avatar clicks on them for "go"."
That is highly dependable on the scripting abilities of their creator, their indolence, and their ego:) IMO a scripter that is any good could do that quite easily.
p.s.
it could be quite possible for the vehicle to return/teleport to origin or to die if it has no riders.

[Cinder Roxley]

Apolon Obscure has auto-driving buses for sale on his sim. I'm glad he has the decency not to dump them all over to try and make a buck. I've never heard someone complain about them.

I don't know why if they're just trying to provide a public service they don't just have click to rez and ride points for them. They could both do their thing unobtrusively if they wanted to.

[anon]

I hear that you are role playing as a man. You obviously don't do a very good job of it, no real man would talk to/about a woman like that. Being a man is more than strapping something to your crotch. Yes, there are men that act like you, but they are not real men, we call them scum.

[Micha Sass]

Prokofy says "What is MOST hugely annoying about these assholes is this sense of high and mighty privilege and pride of place and eminent domain".

Have you looked in the mirror lately? You could be talking about yourself.

[Prokofy Neva]

I don't put unmanned scripted vehicles in large quantities on the public highways. So I take it you approve this?

[June Trefoil]

As for the pod style, I'm guessing that they are constructed aerodynamically. Or lagodynamically. You know, sort of cutting through the lag and stuff.

Your rule #1 cuts out parcels that are oddly sized and shaped. Some of the home base parcels aren't quite 512. Not bitsy lots, just your normal odd roadside pieces probably leftover from someone squaring some land to sell. It's Mainland that's being used. Many of AnnMarie's lots have rez zones. I have a big soft spot for people who allow rezzing.

If it's true that people like me are in the minority (we do jump into those objects and go for rides), and that minority is really tiny, then I guess your Rule #2 will be popular.

[Micha Sass]

Phil Linden owns the roads, and the sea. I have no governance so my opinion is of little consequence.

As it happens I love 'em. They move with silky smoothness. I like that. They crash on sim borders, a big SL problem that needs fixing. These pods are testing that situation, no testing no progress. These pods are smart, I am not sure I can say the same about Anne's detritus. I have seen the mess of ice cream vans. Please give Yavanna a break, you are terribly rude in your approach. Your view is 'I don't like this sort of thing..please remove it from my existence.'. I am not sure that is right. In fact I am inclined to think that is wrong.

[Micha Sass]

I must also say after I rumoved superfluous HUD's (you are sitting in a pod, do you need the tail/ears HUD, radar ect.)it worked for many sim crossing and was very enjoyable.

[Prokofy Neva]

June, I myself provide multiple rezzing areas on roads, waterways, paths, etc. in the SL Public Land Preserve. So I'm all for that. My point about 512s was more to preclude the idea of people buying up 16 m2 to rez with. In fact, the size of the land isn't so important, as long as it is a decent size not to be abused, and as long as they have a click and go option rather than unmanned.

It's the constant automatic dispatching of them that's really the problem. If they just idled there waiting for when people chose to use them, they'd be far, far less offensive.

As for "being terribly rude," fuck no, I don't accept that whatsoever. Let me repeat: "No, there's no rational discussion you can have with assholes who fill up public highways with their own scripted vehicles as a form of vanity"

Somebody who sends scripted vehicles all over SL like this commits the first offense of rudeness and just sheer vain assholery. It would never occur to me to have something I scripted be sent all over SL like that. It's just a grotesque and intrusive form of self-advertisement designed not even so much to make money, although it does that, too, but for sheer vanity and ego aggrandizement. I fail to see why I need to accept that and be "polite" in discussing the issue.

It's not "my existence," it's the fucking PUBLIC HIGHWAYS, Micha. You really have terrible trouble grasping what is moral and what is right about living in a shared space. You're always taking the side of the greedy geek.

[cube republic]

Technically if someone wants to rez a vehicle and send it along the 'public highways' of second life then there's nothing anyone can do. If the roads are on protected land and allow object entry then they break no rule. What makes abbots automated planes any better? Personally I've never got more that 4 sims without the aeroplane model getting stuck on a sim border. I read your article and to be frank, I feel you were quite rude to Yavanna, you just went straight in with insults. Of course because your renting land out for retards to live in fake cottages and have cyber sex with dragons you have the right to just insult and be rude to everyone, and for that matter even police the highways of second life. It's funny you remind me of cartman dressed as a police man on his trike reminding everyone to 'resepct his authoroata'

[Darien Caldwell]

There is no valid reason for someone to force vehicles into an area to clutter and lag things up when nobody is around to use them.

If someone wants to ride, they can provide their own vehicle. Give them away for free. It's the fact you force them to exist in other people's sims, using resources when they are unused that is repugnant.

[someone you don't know, but knows you]

Wow. Someone ranting away when they don't even know the facts. Prokofy, you are clearly delusional or stupid, possibly both. And what a way to speak to someone...I wouldn't be surprised if you got an AR and suspension slapped on your ass.

Thanks for sharing this with the world, nice that everyone can publicly see what a despicable little toad you are. I don't know you, but I have heard about you before and saved my judgement.

They were right, and I agree, you really are a shameless pathetic barnacle on the bottom of the good ship humankind and I hope you get scrubbed off sometime soon before any more of our planets oxygen is wasted on you.

[Prokofy Neva]

Again, the initial rudeness comes from this Yavanna Llanfair who thinks she can just crap up public highways with her shit. Why does she feel entitled to do this???? Why is it rude to confront her with this, as firmly as possible???? It isn't. It's *justice*.

It has nothing to do with my renting out fantasy lands to people cybering with dragos har har -- land I and they pay for. It has everything to do with her using FREE PUBLIC RESOURCES intended for the PUBLIC to use and simply hijacking them for her personal self-aggrandizement.

As Darien says, there is no valid reason for this. It's sheer ego and software hubris. You can give people vehicles on one plot you own if you want to play Lady Bountiful, and they can then select to rez and travel in them as needed. Sending them all over the highways by themselves is just sheer, unadultered selfish ego at play in a world where the Lindens have never put in enough restraints for that sort of fuck-you hedonism.

As far as I know, Cubey's airplanes don't go all over the place but go on a route.

[Ann Otoole InSL]

Obviously LL endorses and supports advertising roaming the mainland. So the thing to do is to create a system that allows your advertising blimps to roam the mainland, adding more and more scripts to regions until mainland is dead, and give it away so thousands of people can clog up mainland with a million bladerunner ad blimps. Then, when LL decides to go after some for what their alts do, LL can be sued and the entire thing be aired out in public.

Or rodvik can investigate and terminate the lindens that are letting these people get away with stuff others would be banned for.

[Micha Sass]

Do you have screenshots of Yavanna's pods cluttering up. I have screenshots of the heaps of ice cream vans. The vans do not belong to Yavanna. Photo or it did not happen.

Why do you wrap a four line constructive comment inside 40 lines of anger?

[4Chan is not pleased with you.]

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I heard you like bitching,so we got bitching to go with your bitching, bitch.

[Micha Sass]

That is irony, a 4Chan troll who is TL;DR. lulz.

[Prokofy Neva]

I'm leaving that one up just to expose how these people really are, next time someone thinks they are wonderful freedom fighters for taking down Iran's servers or that they are only "justly" hacking into Sony's servers.

[Prokofy Neva]

I didn't say they piled up; I said they *cluttered up*. And they do. They come too frequently; and they are out of theme. I don't want to see pods flying across sims every few minutes. They are a stupid eyesore and a nuisance.

Why should one person get to inflict this on the entire grid? The Lindens have always had trouble really protecting the public interest; they always identify "community" as only what they themselves think is cool.

[Prokofy Neva]

And once again: when somebody is enough of a *fuckwit* -- and there isn't really any other word to describe them -- to inflict loads and loads of their crap on the view on other people's sims and the public roads, then there isn't any such thing as "civility". It's not about "anger". It's about justice. You wouldn't know the difference. The software hubris and the greeky geek ego in effect here are obviously opaque to you.

[CronoCloud Creeggan]

As far as I know the vehicles on the Linden roads were placed there by the Lindens themselves, though they didn't make them themselves. You should have checked the owner, not the creator. Yavana is not "cluttering" up the roads, the Lindens are. Saw a bunch on a walkabout I did one weekend last year. You can actually ride them.

[ichabod Antfarm]

Let's say you are driving a vehicle along the public roads and, by some total fluke, as you are crossing a sim boundary your vehicle goes spinning off into space and you are forced to log out. When you get back to SL, do you go back to your last known location and look for your unattended vehicle so you can delete it? Isn't that the courteous, civilized thing to do? By what logic would you justify *not* doing that? I mean, in this situation, is your vehicle not just "junk" and wouldn't it be even worse if, rather than simply stopping as they do, it continued driving around the roads like some kind of ghost junk?