Oh, dear. The griefers and their fellow traveller enablers have completely overrun poor Rodvik's profile.
Any day now, some PR Linden will be along to scrub all this and close off his profile to the public or at least to a very restricted friend's list.
I posted one rebuttal some 10 days ago to all this atrocious pro-griefing propaganda deluged by new Woodbury alts, but I didn't have time to keep up, and now I see they've utterly infested the place.
Well, that is, a few dozen of them have. They can use smoke and mirrors and feel like they are "legion" (yeah, like Anonymous, those dudes that just got arrested lol. Legion, right! Did you ever see a sorrier looking bunch?)
There are something like 15,000 or 20,000 posts and hundreds of pages in two or three threads at Sluniverse.com agitating the Lindens to "do something" about the JLU, the vigilante group that has compiled dossiers on residents documented or suspected as griefing. Some six weeks have gone by with all this, and none of the JLU have been banned. Meanwhile, the thuggish Tux Winkler and bunches of the other Robble type alts have been banned en masse. They're still gone from the People list. The JLU isnt. As I put it, somewhat diabolically, this is like the opposite of Stalin's infamous phrase: "Nyet cheloveka. *Est'* problema".
I continue to marvel what drives these people. The griefers are known quantities -- they're a passle of losers and lowlifes trying to cover their tracks. Jim Korpov/ Charity Stohr/Economic Engineer and the rest -- there are perhaps at the most a few dozen of them, but not even. They all strained mightily to come up with something, and two of the most notorious griefers -- Fred Rookstown, who is the "reformed" alt of the notorious Nexus (spelled in leet) who ran the PNs, and Tux Winkler, vor-v-zakone of the TWHs -- but they really haven't.
See, a year ago when The Wrong Hands was first leaked by that Thespian alt of one of the Woodburies, I took it as a matter of principle -- vigilante groups are not good, they can harm people's privacy through tracking them, the files they compile could be false or damaging needlessly, they could even have RL info. These were matters of *abstract* principle that I could only *theoretically* agree with. The griefers were overjoyed that I took this *abstract* stance and even reprinted my blog when it was removed via Kalel's DMCA process. I never had time or inclination to go peruse the voluminous wikis on their crashy bit-torrent malware sites -- the entire story kind of fizzled as it was later overshadowed by Emerald and then RedZone. With the red meat of Emerald -- which the "commuuuuunity" had once loyally supported and turned on -- and then the even redder meat of Red Zone -- Sharia Slun was kept very busy in night and day sessions for months on end. They forgot about the JLU wiki.
What prompted them to recall it? Well, the banning of Tux for allegedly stealing their wiki or tracking them or whatever. But...what prompted *him* to become active? Anybody recall? That's a funny bit of missing information. And the answer is likely simple: the JLU AR's finally caught up with that reincarnated Woodbury complex of Revolution and Red Square, and they got permabanned and then Tux sought retaliation, as did they (once again proving they are in related and intertwined groups and not enemies as they often propagandistically claim in their active measures).
So as I said, all known quantities. Then enter CheerGirl, with her curious story of the spy prims on the Antiquity sims -- a story that just never, ever held water when you scraped away all the dreck of the curious screenshots, her lack of autoreturn, the actual invitation to the JLU to guard the sims in the first place, etc. Not far behind CG was of course Stroker, who came in and made a demonstrative defense of CG without ever really facing the reality of her lack of actual substance to her claims. Had Kalel put spy prims on her lawn that were really spy prims, with some kind of malicious action or even intent, then Kalel would be gone from the list. He wasn't. (Although the Lindens don't prosecute for intent, neither do they prosecute because they can prove intent). TJ Linden in all his magnificent flourishes of "Tonight...TJ Linden" and his capes and magic Linden powers came and went, the world turned on its axis and...Kalel remained in the list.
Notice that CG has kind of fallen into the BG now, especially after the awful debacle with Stroker's meltdown (a subject I will have to return to in due course on the larger theme of how one becomes densitized in imagining it's "just pixels").
So that leaves the Fellow Travellers. Why do they have a dog in this hunt? What's it all really about?
As I've noticed time and again, none of the SLun royalty is there -- the foul-mouthed Siggy, the lovely Neph, the sour Khamon, the various other Cynthia's and Heather's and Beeble's and whatnot who are on there. They just don't participate. They are likely embarrassed or even annoyed. It *is* a spectacle. The mountain gives birth to a mole. 7,000 pages, and nothing's on.
So who are these people, overpowering Rodvik's list? I've concluded, in sum that these are basically British leftist with various kinky lifestyles who tend to be the sort who sympathize with communists/Islamists/various other "enemy of my enemy is my friend" and who tend to make a civil rights case in a very selective and one-sided way about privacy or datamining. Coupled with them are a few of the American leftist or libertarian types (sometimes indistinguishable) with also various malfunctions, and then probably a few Asian geeks or whatever else makes up the bouquet. Yes, this is a terribly broad brush, and sure, it's prejudiced and I'll be the first to admit: I don't like British leftists who sympathize with communists and Islamists and think they need to undermine Western civilization and democracy to do so. I *really* don't like them and I'll take them on at any time.
Are these people in fact not any of those things, perhaps stalwart sympathizers of Tory back-benchers? Little old ladies who SL on Sundays? Fine family men who take the kids to the park on Saturdays? Oh, maybe. But, let's take a look at their profiles.
And btw, I've been inspired to think about this more by contemplating Orwell's infamous list and this very interesting and more nuanced take on it .
The hard and communist-sympathizing left always made hay of this list of some 38 people. They always bayed and brayed that undermined Orwell's own battle against totalitarian. They said his cooperation with the British intelligence undermined his aims for freedom, too. But, in fact, they were wrong. The people on the list *were* communists. Some of them *did* do a lot of damage*. And his making of the list *did not do damage* to a single one of them by his contemplating of it and submission of it to the authorities. This is all very important to think about, in the large scheme of things and in the tiny SL prototype and replica scheme.
Because the message is pretty basic. People who make lists of suspected communists aren't doing something illegitimate. If they believe those communists harm the government and the world -- and there is ample evidence that they did, especially now! -- then it's their civic duty to report it to the authorities. Commies are clever and connive and hide their tracks and pretend to be something else. Or perhaps they are generally ambivalent and push and pull towards their Kremlin-centric idealism as the wind blows. The intelligence -- itself riddled with moles! -- didn't harm the careers of these people -- it wasn't like a McCarthyite purge of Hollywood actors, an oft-cited meme. Orwell had the right and indeed the duty to make this list; intelligence was the authority to deal with it; and while civil rights concerns rightfully abound, the hard left had precious little of *that* for the suffering peoples of the USSR, millions of whom were massacred.
All this is on a completely different plane and level of scale and magnitude of any list we have in our silly little world, but it's still worth contemplating.
I think rather than secretly compiling lists and wikis and matching and mixing, you should have open discussions. I think the wiki should be published, not doled out. I think the JLU should publish it. Hell, I think LL should publish all its actions taken against griefers with the name of both abuse reporter and offender published along with the Lindens making the decision. Health would only come to our world if this could be done, truly. It won't happen, given the corporate fear of litigation. But it must happen some day in the Metaverse.
The refrains of this half dozen or dozen gaggle of fellow travellers all amount to the same dim and dull chorus, like a tooth ache:
o the JLU captures RL and SL info and accesses it inworld
o it uses this info to harass and blackmail people
o it harvests lots of data of lots of people, not just griefer, why, there are 7,000 pages
None of this has panned out yet, but it's not for lack of trying -- griefer lord Fred Rookstown has sent the entire purloined dbase to Rodvik and all his myrmidons there have sent masses of emails, tweets, posts, etc.
Yet the Lindens had this a year ago presumably in the first leak by The Wrong Hands (a lot of this stuff is from 2007 or 2008 or 2009, like WikiLeaks, for which it is a kind of comic prototype). They get to watch the JLU inworld with access to all server chat in ways that nobody, not even the JLU itself, could watch itself. To be sure, they can't get Skype chat, but they get enough inworld to form valid judgements, one imagines. I don't have absolute faith in them -- but it's good enough for the purposes of day to day living.
Yet despite all this, again, no one is missing from the People List. To be sure, the JLU has suffered some attrition, and some people defected on principle, or so we aer told. And the JLU has gone into a bit of a hibernation, has stopped speaking as much, has not published any more articles on Krypton Radio, following a propagandistic strategy of running other happy little stories instead to distract from this topic.
Yet, even so, nobody has come up with a single valid case. They have strained mightily -- the silly nonsense about Deadly's sister; the ridicularity about calling Tux at work and "Tuxette" (notice she isn't on so much anymore lol); the strange sudden appearance of a teenage case from Cummere that not even the griefers believed -- etc.
No case.
And that's why I won't go this round on principle -- principles, after all, have to be backed up and illustrated by evidence, by cases. And there are none.
So again, why do the fellow travellers persist? Here I'll pick apart their motives mercilessly, as one has to do in dealing with fellow travellers that make common cause with griefers.
Cummere Mayo -- this strange person seems almost clinically disturbed at times, although that can be an artifice of the Internet. Sometimes she seems to talk sense, questioning the obvious things to question, then she sounds like a Stepford wife for the Robble Rubbles. She claims to have some RL law enforcement connection, to have used this connection to get the wiki examined and keeps invoking the supposed power of all this to an increasingly dubious audience. It's that police swagger so common to the RP type in SL -- usually not common to girls. Cummere has pushed this way past the sell-by date, and then almost hysterically came up with the case of a 16 year old who she said lived on their own and worked two jobs (huh? really? in our day and age in the recession?); who was harassed for donning a griefer object by mistake; and supposedly even chased into RL and threatened by Kalel. The case hasn't held up to strong light and is full of obvious holes. Cummere keeps saying she never vouched for it but just conveyed it, but it could have been a set-up of her, or one in which she is taking part in.
A typical exchange with this annoying bitch goes like this:
Cummere *tilts her head and looks at prok curiously* If youre referring to my rl profession there prok, I think you have a really mistaken idea of how that works.
Prokofy: Cummere, since you are consistently coy and manipulative on this issue, we can't really be sure WHAT you're up to. But like psychiatrists who don't diagnose and treat over the Internet and tell people they're crazy and need help, so law enforcers don't practice without *showing their badge* and *a warrant*. You've done neither, so you are illegitimate up and down on this platform, full stop.
Cummere's profile has some weepy gushy apology to someone she failed -- which is her way of in fact trying to exonerate herself by making herself look penitent. She has the usual banal clubs and hunters and sex groups -- nothing out of the SL norm, except the poetry is particularly bad. Er, is it the Vampire thing she wouldn't want her RL friends to know so she has become consumed with fear about privacy? One thing that is typical among all the fellow travellers -- they are consumed with -- hysterically obsessed with -- privacy and fear that the JLU is harvesting their data, but they overshare on forums and their profiles compulsively.
Denovo Broom -- BDSM. There you go, that explains her motives for privacy, and also her twisted thinking that subverts the normal values of life. Coercion, slavery, and infliction of pain are normally abhorred and condemned and that's all good -- the BDSM type would have you believe that they voluntarily overturn these values for some greater good, but the banal truth is that they are just manipulative little fucks who like power over other people -- and that's more true about the subs than the dommes.
Denovo is the nuisance who imagines she is valiantly crusading for justice by crying "Have you no shame sir?" to Kalel and by extentions to me as if I'm McCarthy because...um...I reported some griefers about whom there was absolutely no doubt as to what they were doing on my sim lol. Honestly, history repeats as comedy, yes?
Denovo has the usual fashion and sex groups and the usual self-aggrandizing faux-mysterious profile tag -- honestly, SL is such a wasteland, culturally. "I am what I am. Artist, designer, generally creative and kinky. I am a creature of unknown abilities, unknown tastes and unspecified interests. Or in other words, ask".
In five minutes, she will begin intoning, "I am the Sun....I am the Moon!"....
But instead, what she did was write some of the early anti-JLU posts attempting to hype the CheerGirl spy-prim thing. Why? Just a basic feral fear that someone will find out about her BDSM crap? Or what? That *might* drive somebody in SL, but one has a hard time understanding how it could, really. Just don't link your RL and don't talk about your RL inworld or give out RL information, and hey, girls, you really should be fine! No need to get all freaky about overgrown kids in spandex, truly.
She harrumphs that a JLU sympathizer "Greg" calls her out on the spy-prim story that never led to anything (TJ Linden made no arrests; Kalel is still in the People List) and keeps asking him "how's that investigation going" but the real question is to as *her* and the comrades how their own is going. Because so far, it has produced zip.
Well it's produced...
Zip Paz. This sad creature says he is an injured war veteran forced to live on a fixed income and play SL all day now. We're inclined to believe this because to believe something even more sad -- that he's just an Internet histrionics victim who is not a wounded veteran but just some unemployable jerk in a basement -- is even *more* sad. He shameless manipulates this status in communications with Lindens and residents to get advantages for himself -- which isn't sad, but stupidly annoying.
Could Zip be Verbena Pennyfeather? (An older griefer with a similar "legend" and MO and sympathy to griefers -- who then griefed himself and got permabanned in the end -- sympathy with griefers on "civil rights grounds" or "artistic grounds" can sure be a gateway drug.) I found their names both in a strange old IBM list online of forum contributors, so they are not likely the same person -- they don't quite sound alike. In any event, we're definitely not getting the full story on Zip's connection to these people, which I suspect is more than casual.
Senban Babii is a frequent Herald poster. Often siding with Woodbury types and cynics. Now Senban has merely helped institutionalize the idea of the Ahern wall-sitters and hangers-on who heckle newbies -- the Pink Hands crap will do just that, harass and annoy newbies and subject them to a propaganda barage from "lifestylers" and other misfits from Slun.
Herald Editorial...Herald FanClub...and devoted to opposing voice in SL (that's for people who are deaf, and for people who are transgendered males appearing as females in SL that don't want to be outed). Is this person really Pixeleen? Is it possible that Pixeleen would have the time to double his viciousness on another female alt?
No, Senban is probably sui generis, but simply a Greek chorus for the more intelligent Pixeleen --which isn't saying much.
Born in 2007, Senban is a very persistent griefer apologist and fellow traveller, and implies I'm "the greatest griefer that ever was" because I...criticize and expose Pixeleen's malicious nonsense.
Tracer Graves seems like someone who shouldn't be involved in this sort of sectarianism at first because there is nothing out of the ordinary of his club sort of profile. But his zeal in prosecuting the JLU comes from the deep lefty British tradition about which I expressed loathing above. The JLU is everything that they hate -- American, patriotic, do-gooding -- and refusing to accept bullshit from criminals. Tracer is the one most pumping a petition against the JLU which now has a grand total of...252 people. That's very, very poor for SL and for Sluniverse, which can get 3,000 or 5,000 when it wants to, and has. Most of them are griefers and their alts, and these fellow travellers. You don't really see any normal civilians or people not part of this particular sectarian junket.
Astolat Dufaux is another oversharer -- she tells you sadly that she has breast cancer and is getting chemo and that she used to work for a big British newspaper. She's another exemplary of the British left hating on Americans and the justice they wish to bring to the world against criminals that this selfsame British left would do better to loathe themselves because in fact they constitute a greater threat to that British left's freedoms than the overweening abuses of power of a vigilante group.
Astolat runs a Victorian store that I hope brings her income and relief from pain. Astolat may truly not "get it" because she's never seen a person traumatized by rape in cyberspace, which is really a soul-killing and awful thing whatever its remove from real-life physical trauma, nor has she seen sims groan and fall over under the load of tub girls and goatses, with her tenants moving out and costing her real money. This is all abstract to her.
Kara Spengler is some kind of furry or something, another long-time griefer tacit supporter, perhaps from ideological grounds or personal friendship. Kara is obsessed about IP tracking -- hide you wife, hide your sims, Kara! I don't know what *is* it with these people that they are so hysterical all the time about this media stuff, but Kara even puts it on his profile.
I asked Kara to describe in his own words what his relationship to Woodbury is, as I always see him popping up supporting them in threads on griefing. So far, no answer!
Kara is in Al Andalus, which is a sim about apologizing for the caliphate, which is the Islamic theocracy seeking to take over Europe and the world -- in SL they are particularly duplicitous in saying they are just a sort of country theme sim with interesting builds and education. He's in various LGBT groups, and of all these fellow travellers, the most obviously pro-griefer by being in Bronies (Tizzers' new group for a recent alt expedition) and possibly Green Zone is a marker as well. I've always associated Kara with Woodbury. I haven't read the JLU knock on Kara, but his behaviour in Slun has been all pro-griefer.
Potosi Aboma is one of those horridly aggressive BDSM subs who nevertheless has one of those stupid disclaimer things on SL that are the butt of numerous jokes: "This girl is the sub of Mistress X. Any problems with me should be taken to Mistress X."
Potosi has a particularly sad back story -- as sad as Astolat's or Zip's and sadder in some ways. Her RL husband does not allow her to cam, she overshares to us. He doesn't know about her online sex life, which involves another girl. (Or we hope so for her sake, if that's her thing, as you never know what you're getting in SL).
And that about sums up the root of Potosi's misery, which makes her endlessly externalize all day and obsess not only about privacy, but obsess about people like me who document and oppose griefers. The concept of actual damage from a griefer is not only abstract to her; she actually thinks griefing is kinda cool and funny.
Well, that's all for now, maybe I'll have more -- there are a dozen more but you get the idea. British lefists. Massively for shut-ins. Misfits and lifestylers. Sad sacks. It's not all of SL; and in fact, there's nothing wrong with being any of these things. Yet it's a sect, and a sub-category that takes on a certain set of political views -- hence, the distraction from griefers (terrorists) and the apologia and even supoprt for them, and the hatred and even subversion of the legitimate government and the civil society.
It's an important mystery to study and parse, as it contains within it the same springs that are in the decline of Western civilization.
So, what do we have here?
None of these people are in the JLU wiki. That is, if somebody like Senban happens to be, it's because she works for the Herald and the Herald is the Griefer Gazette.
None of them have had their privacy exposed.
None of them have been harassed or stalked or blackmailed.
None of them have anything to fear if they just control their own level of oversharing, something they seem to find it hard to do.
So what makes them tick on this?
Pure ideology, and pure sectarianism, I guess.
I know this comment probably won't pass moderation but I'll try nevertheless. As you've mentioned me specifically, it's only fair that you allow me to have a small say in return.
GLE admitted publicly that I was listed in the JLU wiki simply because I am outspoken about their activities. They list me as a "personage". They list you as a "griefer". Go figure :)
I'm not Pix. I'm not an alt, I have no banned accounts, I'm just me, being me, sticking up for what I believe is right and standing up against what I believe is wrong and trying to have an intelligent conversation with people I meet along the way.
I made a more complete reply here on SLU.
http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/1390307-post4854.html
Thank you for your time :)
Posted by: Senban Babii | September 27, 2011 at 11:16 AM
You really...
you just....
My God, you are certifiable.
Posted by: Mocksoup Graves | September 27, 2011 at 12:29 PM
Your reading comprehension is terrible, Prok. Where on earth did you get the impression I was British? I'm American, thanks.
Oh, and I don't have cancer anymore, thanks for your belated sympathy.
If YOU can get so many details about people's real lives wrong, imagine how much erroneous information the JLU has on other SL residents.
You both make assumptions and judgments on people without having the entire picture (or bothering to check your facts).
I'm sorry you have endured so much griefing, and you have every right to keep track of the incidents and alts that haunt you. But I still maintain that the JLU has no right to do that, or to file ARs, on your behalf.
Posted by: Astolat Dufaux | September 27, 2011 at 12:37 PM
Prok,
Hello, I am confused by some of what you say and post.
Are you against Internet Privacy?
Are you against griefing?
How come you haven't pointed out privacy issues with the JLU.
The members their screamed about their info being shown to others yet one of their members has this in their profile.
ZenMondo Wormser
Try anything twice.
No Idea is too crazy to pursue.
Use all of your abilities.
Want to know who I really am? Just google "ZenMondo" you'll find me.
So do a search Prok find all their is to know about Zen and then ask why are the JLU members sqawking as well about their personal info being shown on a blog as well?
This goes both ways you do know that right? They collect the rl info on people that they collected by google or other means so then others did the same.
But they openly invited the people to look for them it seems
Posted by: Cathiee McMillan | September 27, 2011 at 01:06 PM
"I haven't read the JLU knock on Kara"
"None of these people are in the JLU wiki."
Schroendinger's Cougar? :)
Posted by: Kara Spengler | September 27, 2011 at 01:57 PM
What little credibility the ex Slun griefers had has seriously diminished since the demise of that JLU thread. A bunch of squabbling geeks and griefers is not a pretty site they have all turned on each other and its rather repulsive and denotes their true roots. it is further demenished by the presence of Cummere Mayo a throw back from Josh's past maybe? not sure but they are all as bad as each other
Posted by: Karla Dorne | September 27, 2011 at 04:18 PM
Well Catherine it's nice to see that you can still pound out a whole lot of words that still amount to very little. I'm aggressive? Have you looked at yourself lately? You are rabid and foaming at the mouth. You also got quite a few things wrong in your little write up as well. But then again your probably mad that I simply toss all your red herring arguement topics off to the side like the trash they are.
Oh one more thing, you posted over on Rodviks feed nearly as much as everybody else COMBINED. So it's obvious who is trashing it up and it's not the ones you are attacking.
Posted by: Potosi Abonwood | September 27, 2011 at 05:23 PM
*Looks around*. I don't see any "foam".
Yeah, I got a few things wrong about the British element lol. They only play British on TV...or something.
I'm glad that I was able to do my poor best on Rodvik's feed. I need more company on things like that. Too bad that a dozen griefers and their fellow travellers can create such illusions : )
Posted by: Prokofy Neva | September 27, 2011 at 07:09 PM
BTW, Cathiee's post was indeed let through. It probably went into the spam file but I always publish everything from there unless it is a banned alt violating my simple rules.
I answered her comment in full in this post. she's now reposted this again on sluniverse.com as if I am somehow "hiding" from her *snort*.
She says:
Do you think that the Wiki the JLU has can be used against sl residents by others who are not part of the JLU. The wiki has been Leaked or hacked twice.
So isn't it possible that this wiki can fall into someones lap who doesn't have the best intentions of SL residents and use the information in it to harrass SL residents.
I wanted to avoid any of the things she claims that has not been proven in her eyes.
But to look at it from a different direction.
The wiki was leaked twice - Its not secure or safe.
The wiki contains information on SL residents in general.
Number one, no, I don't think so. Why? Because I don't see that any of the people they have tracked are innocent. Oh, there might be a few stray false positives or bad-faithed ARs -- like the one on me, for example. There may be others.
But the overwhelming majority of entries are on bona-fide documented griefers, the very same ones I've completely independently documented on my own turf. Or they are fellow travellers who constantly provide that matrix for griefing to succeed -- the alts who hold the griefing cloaks, sometimes literally, in their inventory.
So I don't see that there is anything that could fall into "The Wrong Hands" snort snort -- because the wrong hands are already the griefers in the first place, who hacked this data -- and if it *has* compromised anyone, it would be them, first and foremost. But...it hasn't. Not a single case has been made for any RL revelations that were illicitly gotten. No case has been made for harassment that passes any basic sniff test.
It troubles me not a whit that this dbase has been leaked twice. Good! It should be a public document. The JLU should have open meetings, pool their information, and document griefing, and make educated guesses about griefing. They are engaged in precisely the same mission as Orwell was when he made his list of com symps. It's legitimate, journalistic behaviour and even one's civic duty.
I don't like vigilantes, and I dno't need them to do this for me. If someone can show they went overboard and began to attack everyone and everything and merge with the griefers, you know, like some crazy Mexican drug war with drug lords, police, and seemingly uninvolved citizens all intertwined, well, do so? I haven't seen it.
So no, I don't agree with Cathiee at all. Her comment was posted out of the spam file where it went because she mentioned people who harass and grief me regularly and who cause me damages in RL.
Honestly, people like this are just ignorant and stupid cunts. I'd like to assume she's innocent and acting in good faith. When she plays some a bad game of gotcha, however, I'm going to call it as the stupid, fucked thing it is.
The JLU is perfectly within its rights to collect information on griefers, and store it. I'm for publicizing it too!
If the Lindens would like to reduce this kind of behaviour if they find it generates too much conflict, they can end *their own practice* of endorsing AR parties and group ARs and ARs about things not on your own land. That will remove this crap in a heartbeat.
I'm all for the right of citizens to gather information about other citizens they find doing harm, and discussing it. This is vital, central, basic, and legitimate in a free, democratic society. It's the only way you can fight crime at the origins. To be sure, there should be separation of powers, and the judiciary should be separate from the executive and the legislature (which represents those self-same people). Then you have impartiality and due process that you don't get from the spandex gang.
But nothing I've seen from these lads shows me they've gone out of bounds. It's like like RL WikiLeaks. The vicious anarchists who started the whole WL saga thought it would somehow out and discredit the US. It didn't. It outed and discredited all the monstrous regimes they're forced to deal with, and made them look good. Where they *did* look bad, you had to concede that what they were doing was trying failed engagement strategies or trying to make the best of a bad situation.
No, it should be online, anyone should be able to add corrections, although for sanity's sake, these should go into a moderation queue, and if someone feels they are wrongfully cited, they can put in their exonerating data, but it need not trump the basic good-faith documentation (which is what griefers would want).
If someone's RL info is really there unlawfully, they can send takedowns and they can get RL law enforcement involved. We've seen thousands of comments and hundreds of pages of this wiki -- and it just doesn't add up to anything. It's really gotten to be ridiculous, watching these people chase their tails and lick each others' asses.
I can tell she agrees with it since she has failed to post this question she knows i am right in that it is a device that can be used to harrass people in sl.
This is what i am fighting the JLU for they should not be collecting this information period they don't know how to secure it. and they never will.
To truley have secure system is to have 1 person who can access it. and not connected to the web.
Posted by: Prokofy Neva | September 27, 2011 at 10:14 PM
Lord, I couldn't read the rest of this drivel. It just went on and on and on about yet another "leftist" conspiracy, whatever that means... Seriously dude you need to get a life. Is this your job or are you some bored old man on retirement with nothing better to do. I couldn't distinguish if I was reading a SL related blog entry or a Fascist Tea Bagger blog sponsored by News corp. Keep drinking that tea cranky old man and dream up more conspiracies about Communists hiding behind every tree. :)
Posted by: Billy Traxton | October 02, 2011 at 06:51 PM
Prok you obviously havent a clue what you are talking about : let me explain something historically very important.
The Labour party of Great Britain in the 1930's to the late 1970's was very left wing indeed. It had its roots in a revolutionary trade union movement and when, in the 1960's, the labour party was elected and Harold Wilson took office, it is a fact that he disliked joining The EU (back then it was the EEC). Infact he consulted with the American government and took Britain to the brink of becoming the 51st state of America. It was so close both sides began making preparations but at the last minute the deal was called off. Further to this he increasingly made britain allied to the USA and it is a fact: British news media tells british people far more about the politics of the USA than the EU. I would suggest you think and learn to grasp the reality of what you think you know and realise you know nothing on the subject of the UK and its popular alliances. I suggest you research that by examining documented minutes of meetings released under the disclosure of official secrets act
Posted by: thetruther | November 03, 2011 at 08:15 PM
Um, I know this history because I was alive in the 1970s and going to university...unlike you lol.
Great Britain has never been close to becoming the "51st state," that's ridiculous hyperbole.
I suggest you get off the Internet and stop reading conspiracies. Oh, and if you post here, you have to have a first and last real name or valid SL name.
Posted by: Prokofy Neva | November 03, 2011 at 10:20 PM
... and even then, you have no way to really verify that the name entered actually matches the person ...
Posted by: The Real Coral Gausman | November 04, 2011 at 01:15 AM
ah yes the brits, is there no end to their corruption. you just have to watch the news to see the depth of it. The best thing that could happen to britian is another plague
Posted by: Zara Beke | April 30, 2012 at 12:17 AM