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June 03, 2012

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Ann Otoole InSL

The mental illness issue with linden lab is real but will not be treated. One must admit they are sick before treatment can begin. However, what SL is will live on without the lindens. They cannot take that ball and run from the playground. The lindens have lost the ball.

Anya Ristow

Like it or not, SL and its associated out-of-world hangouts is a place people have chosen seek like-minded people rather than diversity. I believe SL's lack of appeal for normal people is considered a positive feature by its residents, and their corner of the internet is actively defended from the ignorant masses, and I believe the lack of attention SL is receiving from LL these days may be LL throwing their hands up in resignation. I believe they may have given up on the whole virtual world concept as likely to attract the same anti-social crowd no matter the platform.

Carl Metropolitan

I'm afraid I must take the credit/blame for the notorious "F1" spinner. After reading your most recent blog post, I pulled one out of inventory. It said "PRESS "F1" FOR HELP" in large letters, and then below it "SECOND LIFE HELP IS NOW PART OF THE CLIENT".

At the time, that last bit was a big thing. SL had never before had anything in the client you could use to get help. (The mind boggles that it took them till 2006/2007 to add that.)

The spinner was originally made for NCI, and was later used (with permission), along with some other NCI stuff by the resident creators of the original "Help Island". (LL had very little to do with the first "Help Island"; I think it was mostly Tateru Nino's work.)

Though the first "Help Island" certainly had its problems, it did provide a useful next step from the original Orientation Island with the talking parrot. Considering that Linden Lab replaced the OI/HI combo with the horribly designed "New OI" that featured mandatory completion of four orientation tasks while wearing a HUD (that often didn't work, causing a significant number of new users to just quit without ever getting to the mainland) and the whole "running over cyber-rats" bit, it made the old Help Island looked pretty good in retrospect.

It's my understanding that the metrics for the second try at an Orientation Island (which I'm tempted to blame on ESC, but I could be wrong there) were so bad, that LL decided they were better off with NO orientation rather than using that island. For at least six months to a year after they pulled the "cyber-rat" version of Orientation Island, they were dumping new users straight to the old Help Islands.

I'm still continually amazed at how badly and consistently Linden Lab screws up the first hour experience. People used to speculate that this was intentional, as they knew their architecture could never handle much more active users than they had at the time. However, I don't think Linden Lab was that smart--or that dumb.

melponeme_k

As I've said in-world, it isn't only Second Life that suffers the disconnect between mainstream and developers/hardcore gamers.

In game after game, I've seen developers and the "hardcore" take this obtuse stance that withstands against all reason. WoW itself crashed into a wall because they wanted to turn everyone into obsessed, min maxing raiders. It annoyed the developers and the hardcore that people were turning WoW into socializing place, a theme park not a lifestyle.

Developers will churn out raid after raid that excludes 95% of their paying audience but absolutely refuse to create housing in games (which the excluded 95% beg for). It is large and also little things that show that these people are their own worst enemies. That they would rather see their creations die than give one inch. I suppose we must have some sympathy if many of them do suffer from Aspbergers. But it has gotten to a point where most are saying enough and they are leaving games.

Pep

So which particular part of the Autistic Spectrum do YOU inhabit, Prok? Pep (has done the test, and despite wanting to have a reason for malcommunication, failed to place the blame at the door of this neurological syndrome.) PS So it MUST be the rest of you that have the problem! PPS Along with the forum masochism thing.

c3

type A personalities will develop MIPS
type B personalities will continue to show autistic behaviors as the plugs connect deeper and deeper.

scary shit this mediaverse stuff..
full speed ahead.

Prokofy Neva


Carl,

While I don't believe you are an aspie yourself, and while you say you are responsible for the "F1 is in the client" spinner, perhaps you were infected by folie a deux from the aspies on the island. It's wacky ding hoy stuff, and perhaps you've lost touch with that.

Most normal people do not use the F keys -- or at least, only one or two of them. The F1 Help was a disaster -- if you did click it, it lagged out your game, and took forever to pull up the balky "knowledge base," which was way more than anyone needed to know, especially on day one. It was like dumping a set of encyclopedias on a newbie's head as he landed. The system they have now in the client -- with no F1 but right there to be accessed on the viewer -- is much shorter and more basic and does the trick (on viewers 2 and 3).

The reason why I recall this as "F1 is in the client" is because it was round and spinning, and so you could only see parts of phrases at a time, adding to the surreal aspect of the entire crazy thing, you know?

I think the very, very first Orientation Island was built by Ben Linden or one of the early Lindens, and then Tateru, Torley and others got their hands on it. For a time, it was infested with "SL Mentors" -- and as a way of trying to deal with the problem of SL Mentors literally hijacking newbies to their stores or rentals from orientation, they put in as a sop the ability for the Mentors to have their stores rotate on the first place newbies landed. These stories might have had freebies or dollarbies, but they added free advertising for these "altruistic folks" as their compensation.

That, and my pet peeve -- the random delivery of landmarks that ensured constant load disbalance -- instead of sequential delivery that would have balanced the load better -- added to the madness and sense of special interests on parade.

Obviously the "four tasks" orientation that even gave a few Linden dollars just wasn't working. People lost patience with it. I ran through it a few times myself to test it and found that the HUD simply wouldn't load, or stuff wouldn't happen as it was supposed to. I thought the talking parrot was a distraction and annoyance.

I believe the deliberate screwing of newbies *was* intention not just to throttle the load on the servers, which weren't scaling very fast, but to winnow out all the feebs and choads so that only the true geeks could filter through, which his all that LL wanted. They wanted content producers and scripters -- they had a notion of developing a very attractive world first, and then selling that or leasing that in some fashion before the masses entered. They actually thought, however, that there would be more of a mass base of pure geeks than there were.

I don't inhabit the autism spectrum, Pep. I wouldn't try to diagnose oneself with an Internet test, however, that's not reliable.

Bunjie

I know I'm not supposed to comment here but that's not changed my direct perspective of him, but it has opened my eyes to the bigger picture.

I didn't think he was ill or had such an affliction, I just thought he was depressed and filled with regular deep seeded hate, the kind you only get when you've played the same hand and not won anything and are running in massive debt with no shirt on your back.

Then after trying to blame the dealer for your own actions you find out hes not been cheating and you've just been too dumb blinded to realize you're playing a loosing hand that could never win.

Either way he was and always will be the founder the main circle of negativity inSL that his literalistic liberal friends push and give credence to so that he can drive that hate filled drama wedge into the entire community as they stick him on a SLebrity pedestal as if parody and just for fun does not cause damage, when it's clear he's hiding behind that masquerade and is totally serious and decrepit of moral judgment.

Those that support him are themselves stuck languishing in the disrepair of their lost in-world dreams and fantasies and can't lash out themselves so use him as an attack dog for all manner of causes, acts like getting people to 'love' his post for alleged 'charity' on mySL is a decrepit abomination that he's using charity to grant himself some self-illusion of what he does is worthy to the community and to show Linden Lab and naysayers that he should stay doing what hes doing.

I'm not stupid I can clearly see the hand he plays, but I haven't said anything until now.

But it's OK crap never messed around when it's charity!! it's just as bad as paying for FB likes, if he wanted to donate $ to charity he should just do it and not be dangling it as a 'feel good factor' to make sure people click the 'love' button aka chew the carrot to get his self esteem up, and fake that hes a good influence on the community.

I bet 40% of those who say they like him and support what he does only do so because they don't want him blogging negatively about them and their business.. it's a charade..

But who can go up against crap? it seems the perfect disguise for someone so hate filled to hide themselves in plane sight as a piece of trash.. he was crap to begin with and always will be the same old crap, and if it's true he has Asperbergers then more so the shame on those who have failed to use the initial push and podium they gave him for sympathy and their liberal ideals to inch him towards a positive light, as it's quite clear it was wrong for them to make him the focus of the Second Life community, community is about more than giving podium to someone potentially able to destroy it.

While I think everyone is entitled to take part in the SL community regardless of who they are and what they're background is, my view is someone who has a personalty disorder should not be pushed into the spotlight as a thought leader as a community needs to be stable not a roller coaster of collateral drama.

I know Immy has issues and I've tried to befriend her but it's an uphill struggle to get her to acknowledge I exist when she bathes in her own negativity thinking I don't think she exists, see the problem?.

I believe to be POTUS you have to be of sound mind and body? or in most positions of power regardless of policies, but clearly crap is not fit to be SL's community POTSL, and anyone who languishes in the joke or alleged parody he projects as a mask while ignoring the damage he's doing underneath not only to himself like I'm sure botgirl will do, is inept of sound judgment and should go see a psychiatrist themselves.

c3

http://www.johnrobison.com/about-john.php

saw a tv documentary segment recently on this guy... has some experimental treatments to "rewire" his brain...

now i do beleive some ae born with organic brain pathway issues..

but im more and more convinced that the interaction with the digital interface and the computer/ and its designers artifacts... are now rewireing "normal" organic brains....

ive stated this for a decade plus now... seems like on many things.. im ahead of the curve, and not wrong alot;) nowadays.

we'll see.

melponeme_k

"but im more and more convinced that the interaction with the digital interface and the computer/ and its designers artifacts... are now rewireing "normal" organic brains"

Definitely it is changing the way people think. It is flattening our social responses.

In relation to gaming it has convinced many that forced groups are "socializing". It has these people convinced that "casuals" or "solo players" don't socialize. Asperberger types need standardized grouping activities to encourage socialization. They don't do the freestyle chats that the majority do. They don't understand that people are still socializing if they are not grouped up.

What is horrific is that many normal people are convinced they are actually making an effort to socialize by pinging somebody on Facebook. That a little brain blurb written on someone's FB page constitutes actually being a friend and caring about their lives. Its making us less empathetic and less able to create normal connections.

Pep

@C3: Baroness Susan Greenfield doesn't just believe the same as you, she has spent some time measuring the change in our brains caused by exposure to fanatical paranoids on the 'net. Pep (Or was it just the "to be continued" syndrome of violent impatience with web pages that continue beneath the fold?) PS Prok, what on earth - or whichever planet you inhabit - makes you think that I would rely on an "internet test" to assess my sanity? Don't judge other people by your own personal gullibility and shame.

Laetizia Coronet

It's hard to believe that this frothing-at-the-mouth rant about Asperger Syndrome, written by someone who doesn't care or know enough even to spell it correctly, but nevertheless has the gall to diagnose someone else with it, has lead to these serious responses. A pox on all your houses for that. This rambling bit of bitter nastiness deserves to rot in a corner of the internet.

c3

hard to believe? then you havent spent enough time interfacing through a machine..

baroness geenfield- first i heard of her.. i just did some googling....
her hypothesis/writings seem to be about organic responses to interactions... not exposure to the ideas of others, crazy or not.

you can spout all the crazy you like... without physical duress i most likely wont buy it... but take a scalpel or waterboard to my head... and i might see 5 lights...

Prokofy Neva

1. I'm not diagnosing, these people say themselves that they suffer from Asperger's syndrome -- and it's easy to keep mispelling this word, even after looking it up repeatedly.

What I'm doing is *fighting back* against the nastiness of these aspies. THEY start out spewing the nastiness, and instead of just falling silent and being scared into inaction, *I fight back*.

And I particularly don't like the idea of making fun of mass murder, piles of skulls, and calling former Lindens victims of mass murder when all that happened to them is that they got let go from a virtual world company.

mel really has an insight here about the *forced* socializing. The collectivized gaming group that is hoaxed into thinking it is a "community". Spot on.

Pep, do you have a poor memory or are you hallucinating? Here's what you wrote: "Pep (has done the test, and despite wanting to have a reason for malcommunication, failed to place the blame at the door of this neurological syndrome.)". That tells us *you did the Internet test*. If it wasn't on the Internet, well, geez, it sure sounded like it was.

Pep

Hey Prok, you are demonstrating an inability to hold up your end of the communications dyad, which may be linked to your position on the autistic spectrum, or perhaps the commonplace genetic failing of your sex, which is that you hear what you would like to rather than what is actually said. Pep (If I had said that I had passed my driving test, would you have assumed that I meant I had worked out how to wear a SL car?) PS Like my wife who tacks on an unspoken "Now!" on the end ofher every request for assistance, you seem to insert the epithet "internet" in front of concepts to your own monomaniac convenience; or do you believe my propaganda that Pep is an internet construct who does not actually exist other than in the imagination of his readers?

Carl Metropolitan

Prokofy wrote: "While I don't believe you are an aspie yourself, and while you say you are responsible for the "F1 is in the client" spinner, perhaps you were infected by folie a deux from the aspies on the island. It's wacky ding hoy stuff, and perhaps you've lost touch with that."

I do have some personality issues that might put me on the borderline. The notoriously unreliable internet tests I've taken generally put me just outside of what would be consider Asbergers. If so, it has actually helped me in Second Life, as I've been able to understand and deal well with a number of people that are probably well in the Asbergers spectrum, while at the same time dealing with the rest of the world in a more typical and professional manner.

As for the spinner, it was not my decision to place it at the center of Help Island. I created it as one of a number of instructional posters at NCI. I think it worked better in the original context. On the other hand, I don't want to in any way diminish what Tateru and others did with the original Help Island. It mostly worked very well for what it was designed for--and filled that need far longer than any of the designers anticipated.

Prokofy wrote "Most normal people do not use the F keys -- or at least, only one or two of them. The F1 Help was a disaster -- if you did click it, it lagged out your game, and took forever to pull up the balky "knowledge base," which was way more than anyone needed to know, especially on day one. It was like dumping a set of encyclopedias on a newbie's head as he landed."

I'm the kind of guy who read the encyclopedia (1972 World Book) from A to Z when he was a kid, so I see that as a feature, not a bug. However at NCI that poster was just one way of getting help. NCI (and Oxbridge) were designed intentionally to address different ways of learning. People that need to talk to other people find other people to help them. People that learn best in formal classes find classes. People that learn well from tutorials, find those. And people who read the manual, get links to the manual, etc.

Prokofy wrote "The reason why I recall this as "F1 is in the client" is because it was round and spinning, and so you could only see parts of phrases at a time, adding to the surreal aspect of the entire crazy thing, you know?"

Agreed. That was a design error on my part. I had a fascination with spinning posters for a while that I've since abandoned.

Prokofy wrote: "I think the very, very first Orientation Island was built by Ben Linden or one of the early Lindens, and then Tateru, Torley and others got their hands on it. For a time, it was infested with "SL Mentors" -- and as a way of trying to deal with the problem of SL Mentors literally hijacking newbies to their stores or rentals from orientation, they put in as a sop the ability for the Mentors to have their stores rotate on the first place newbies landed. These stories might have had freebies or dollarbies, but they added free advertising for these "altruistic folks" as their compensation."

I think you may be conflating Orientation Island with Help Island. Help Island was the place that the mentors used to hang out and had the controversy of some creator's stuff being featured in the freebie store with no mechanism for other creators to have theirs added. Interestingly enough, when Blue was in charge of Help Island he outsourced the HI freebies to NCI and we ended up with our FreebieNode system (which was open to anyone who met the basic quality and PG requirements) on all the Help Islands.

Prokofy wrote: "That, and my pet peeve -- the random delivery of landmarks that ensured constant load disbalance -- instead of sequential delivery that would have balanced the load better -- added to the madness and sense of special interests on parade."

To the best of my knowledge that remained broken until the day Help Island finally closed for good to be replaced by the new Welcome Islands--and the now memory-holed Community Gateways.

Prokofy wrote: "Obviously the "four tasks" orientation that even gave a few Linden dollars just wasn't working. People lost patience with it. I ran through it a few times myself to test it and found that the HUD simply wouldn't load, or stuff wouldn't happen as it was supposed to."

I remember when I first tried it as with an alt. I was disappointed. There were some really good ideas in there, but they were buried under a mass of distractions and poor user interface design.

Prokofy wrote: "I thought the talking parrot was a distraction and annoyance."

I was fond of the original OI Talking Parrot. We included a Talking Dodo with a similar script in Oxbridge as a homage to it. However, the Virtual Ability gateway blew us away with an AI-based system that you could practice using chat with.

Prokofy wrote: "I believe the deliberate screwing of newbies *was* intention not just to throttle the load on the servers, which weren't scaling very fast, but to winnow out all the feebs and choads so that only the true geeks could filter through, which his all that LL wanted. They wanted content producers and scripters -- they had a notion of developing a very attractive world first, and then selling that or leasing that in some fashion before the masses entered. They actually thought, however, that there would be more of a mass base of pure geeks than there were."

Depressing, but possible. Second Life's biggest problem has always been that Linden Lab does not understand--and seems stubbornly resistant to understanding--what their customers want out of their product.

Prokofy Neva

What a raving asshole you are, Pep.

Again, you wrote, ""Pep (has done the test, and despite wanting to have a reason for malcommunication, failed to place the blame at the door of this neurological syndrome.)"

That's not a driver's test; in this context, it's an online aspie test. If it is some OTHER test, in this thread on this topic, you didn't make it clear. What more likely happened is that you forgot you wrote it, or you suffer from psychism.

There isn't any "genetic failing" of my gender to "hear what I want to hear," that's absurd. There's *you*, being an asshole, which is environmental, not genetic.

Again, what an asshole!

Pep

Please point out to me, Prok, where in my post I wrote that I had done an online test? You have done your usual thing and made a fool of yourself, this time in public view, by misreading clearly stated words and adducing a meaning to them which is entirely unsubstantiated and even worse, wholly incorrect. FYI my brother is a psychiatrist (which is one of the reasons I have a considerable disregard for such medical shamans) and once upon a time (at the same time he tested me for cyrrhosis of the liver, and discovered that his own organ was in a much worse state than my overtly healthy one) he formally assessed me for autistic spectrum tendencies, his reluctantly formed conclusion being that I had multiple personality disorders when compared with the average hyperemotional unintellectual irrational man in the street, but that these disorders - including an elevated Empathic Quotient and an extreme Communications Effectiveness rating - did not aggregate to anything more than Justified Narcissistic Superiority. Pep ("You never listen to me" is the female way of saying "You don't do what I want you to"; you transparently obviously suffer from the written form of this misperception.)

Pep

Is it a badge of honour to have a post deleted by Prok because her illiteracy has been conclusively demonstrated.

Pep (Will consider it so.)

Pep

In case you missed it the first time around, here is the post that Prok deleted: - until her inferiority complex demands that she removes it again:

"Please point out to me, Prok, where in my post I wrote that I had done an online test? You have done your usual thing and made a fool of yourself, this time in public view, by misreading clearly stated words and adducing a meaning to them which is entirely unsubstantiated and even worse, wholly incorrect. FYI my brother is a psychiatrist (which is one of the reasons I have a considerable disregard for such medical shamans) and once upon a time (at the same time he tested me for cyrrhosis of the liver, and discovered that his own organ was in a much worse state than my overtly healthy one) he formally assessed me for autistic spectrum tendencies, his reluctantly formed conclusion being that I had multiple personality disorders when compared with the average hyperemotional unintellectual irrational man in the street, but that these disorders - including an elevated Empathic Quotient and an extreme Communications Effectiveness rating - did not aggregate to anything more than Justified Narcissistic Superiority. Pep ("You never listen to me" is the female way of saying "You don't do what I want you to"; you transparently obviously suffer from the written form of this misperception.)"

Evangelical

Pep - Prokofy may be many things, but illiterate is definitely not one of them. Whether you agree or otherwise with what she says on this blog and her other forums, it is quite clear that she is well educated and extremely widely read.

Accusing her of illiteracy just makes you look silly.

Prokofy Neva

Um, no posts are "deleted" -- they may be caught in the spam file. You can post any old hateful thing you want here as long as you 1) use a Second Life first and last name that isn't an alt and 2) do not incite or cause damages to me or others. That leaves you LOTS of latitude!

Marx Dudek

I seem to recall that Prokofy was the person who predicted - here on this blog, in fact - that SL would be dead by the end of this year.

Prokofy Neva

Pep, you really, truly are a raving asshole!

You wrote that you had "taken the test". This was a post that mentioned people who took online tests. We all know from the context of Second Life that Torley Linden infamously took the online aspie test, decided that he was an aspie, and then annoyed everybody enormously for years and years after that telling us how he was overcoming his disability -- although it was never really properly and professionally diagnosed and could have been other issues like depression or bipolar or who the hell knows. Everyone knows that. If you are a newbie and didn't hear that story and know that part of SL lore, well, now you do.

You didn't specify what kind of test. So now...you're going to tell us that your brother's test is what was used? Laugh out loud. A brother shouldn't be doing a test on a sibling, that's unprofessional. He should give it to another doctor to do if he wishes to be impartial. So that's hardly any better than an online test.

Your inane and misogynist comments are so noted -- again, you're an online asshole. Whether you come by your illnesses organically or they are Internet-induced, well, who cares?

c3

what state is a zombie?;)

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