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June 24, 2012

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c3

"Someday, they will first start with the people -- the customer requirements -- and then build the world. Instead of the other way around."

not how the medium works.... never will be.

Han Held

"but I do wonder what I'll do there if I'm unable to build easily or even sit down (it's odd, the avatars don't sit). Even if they do sit or get poses at some point and furniture gets easier to put out, and you can schedule and advertise events, I would still wonder why I was in such a shallow place when there's SL which isn't *that* hard to learn."
You'd do the same things in cloud party that you currently do in SL when you're not building, would be my first guess.

And you'd be there because it's someplace that is easily accessible to your first-life friends -they can get to it from facebook with zero learning curve.

If you want a valid critique (and I know you do), it would be this: it gives facebookies less than facebooks' current skype-based cam chat gives them, and it gives nothing to people that they can't already get from twinity and/or IMVU.

It IS in beta (covering your ears and going la-la-la doesn't change that), and when it reaches a completed state it will probably end up being a cute little virtual platform that is better suited to being accessed from the ipad and other tablets that are replacing personal computers than secondlife is.

Prokofy Neva

I don't think any of my real-life Facebook friends are any more likely to go into Cloud Party than they would to Second Life. Maybe a few, but it's just not a proposition. Many people don't avatarize well, and feel a Puritanical nudge that they are "wasting time in a game" when they go into a 3-d mode. And in many cases they are.

Cloud Party is not pretty enough for tablet. If that's the idea, they are putting the operability with tablet before the world, and dooming the world then.

The avatars are bow-legged and you can't control their look enough. Oh, except maybe by buying stuff, in which case you'll feel hosed.

Obviously Skype chat is easy and more fulfilling than this. Twinity of course got there first with a concept like this, although they are not web-based are they? Or are they. I seem to recall really long patches at Twinity.

Um, I'm not "covering my ears and going lalal," I'm pointing out that this world looks and feels like ass. It is not compelling. Nothing about it is a draw except some geeky thing about "normalmaps" and "speculars" which I have zero interest in and which is unlikely to produce anything of interest to the average user like -- forever.

I-pads have not replaced PCs or laptops yet, that's a fiction that wealthy geeks try to impose on the world so people will buy more i-pads.

Now go back to the forums, Han Held, you're an alt of someone else who is likely banned from here.

melponeme_k

I haven't been in Cloud because I don't have an FB page.

But I would say it's mainly geared to scrape the content creator players from SL and other VRs. These developers are still relying on fools to do their development and R&D for free. And they do! Why deviate from a successful plan?

Regular games spend a lot of money for content and art from the appropriate creators. SL was one of the first games that got people to do it for chump change and no professional recognition. That made an impression. So much so that Philip Linden is trying his hardest to extend that insanity into other business areas. In the coming years, I would say the high glamor positions in the entertainment industry will all run on this model. Unfortunately. It will stratify these businesses class system even more than they are stratified now.

Skylar Smythe

Great piece. You just saved me the time and trouble of checking it out.

The only redeeming quality of it is the strong tie in to Facebook with the hopes that will populate it?

It looks boring frankly.

Lori / Skylar

Cube Republic

Cloud party looks a bit basic at the moment because it's in beta and has hardly any content there. I like it, but it presently wont replace SL for me. I feel it will become popular. It's ideal to roleplay in. The devs have already said we will be 'pleasantly surprised' by land pricing. The basic floating island could be replaced by anything once land goes live. Those floating bubbles you saw (other islands) can be clustered around your sim(think role play, another planet in your galaxy) and have their graphical look changed. They promise content sales. The content pipeline is much faster than second life, as I don't need to produce 3 subsequent LOD meshes and a physics one. So I can deliver stuff in a 5th of the time with a higher level of detailing.

If I were to compare it, I'd say it's IMVU crossed with second life graphics. It will appeal to that user base.

But yeah Prok, or course it's empty at the moment, the clues in 'user generated content' and seeing as it's been open, what 2 weeks, then I can't imagine people have had much of a chance to populate the world.

Also worth considering is mesh is over a year old in SL now, and all those users are now able to produce content, who before could only use sculpts and primitives. They're ready for a world like this, where there isn't massive penalty's for using normal sized meshes like there is in SL.

Han Held

"I don't think any of my real-life Facebook friends are any more likely to go into Cloud Party than they would to Second Life. Maybe a few, but it's just not a proposition. Many people don't avatarize well, and feel a Puritanical nudge that they are "wasting time in a game" when they go into a 3-d mode. And in many cases they are."
Which is why they'd go instead to skype, as I pointed out.

"The avatars are bow-legged and you can't control their look enough."
Yet. But you know that. Or should.

"Oh, except maybe by buying stuff, in which case you'll feel hosed."
This is no different than secondlife. Do you feel hosed there?

"I-pads have not replaced PCs or laptops yet, that's a fiction that wealthy geeks try to impose on the world so people will buy more i-pads."
That must be why you only see one table devoted to "pea-sees" when you go into Best Buy and 2/3rds of the areas formerly devoted to them now taken over by "I-pads". 'cos god knows the wealthy shop at Best Buy!

"Now go back to the forums, Han Held, you're an alt of someone else who is likely banned from here." Nope. I -have- alts, I am not -an- alt. Regardless, you and I have only encountered each other on this account.

But please keep on swinging that dead rat -you're bound to hit something eventually!

Prokofy Neva

Han Held, we all know you are someone banned from the forums who came back on an alt. That's clear. And your obsession with me and persistence in heckling me on the forums and countering me here comes from another life.

The avatars are bow-legged because this is actually a fashion now -- determined by someone like Toast Bard. There are SL avatars that look like this now and there's no reason to assume we'll be able to change it -- except by buying new avatars, which it may help force you to do.

And that *will* be being hosed if you can't change your avatar with the basic free toolkit but have to buy upgrades just not to look ugly.

I-pads indeed have not replaced PCs, except for a certain wealthy set. If Best Buy converted to sell more, so what? They are pushed by Silicon Valley, not pulled by the consumer, who wouldn't buy anything new if it were up to him.

Ryokashi

The Facebook thing is temporary so they didn't have to maintain their own registration system yet. One of the devs confirmed it. It's a bit early to say it's some conspiracy to get your name, though I do agree with you that I wouldn't want to associate my name with it either.

Micha Sass

I am way impressed at how one is transferred from a 2D web page to a 3D environment, very quickly and without moving from Firefox. No, seriously, I am WAY impressed..

Linden Labs/Opensim, you need this browser tech.

Masami Kuramoto

Last year Prokofy asked on her blog: Is WebGL really the next big thing?

Of course her answer was "No", because WebGL is, in her opinion, another evil plot devised by the Global Telecommunist Conspiracy.

Last year I commented on her blog, predicting that WebGL would eventually be used to bring virtual worlds into the browser, so that they can be used by anyone, without installing a viewer or plugin first. Just click a link and you're in.

Now a small team of developers has done exactly that, in no more than 9 months. So I returned there to see what Prokofy would say about it. Would she admit that she had no clue one year ago?

Of course she won't. Instead, I find her nitpicking: In Cloud Party you can't fly! Big fucking deal!

It's like watching the first moon landing and then hearing some imbecile complain about the color of the space suits. Palm, meet forehead.

Prokofy Neva

Um, WebGL is still not a big deal.

It still doesn't solve problems for consumers and prosumers like DRM.

Cloud Party is like a graduate thesis. Little read, except by nerds.

None of these web worlds have sticking power.

Siana Gearz

I actually agree. It works surprisingly well for an early beta and new technology, bit it's not the ultimate thing of awe - and those came and went too as we know. It's not per se limited to run on WebGL plattforms - an optimized client for an older laptop is very well possible. Nor is it limited to Facebook, staff implies that another authentication method could be coming. There isn't much chance that it would or could replace Second Life - why ever would one think something like that? - though i'd be happy if they can find their place.

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